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kerpowski 03-12-2007 12:02 AM

Re: kerpowski\'s minraise open
 
ding! we have a winner...

the minraise strat has some advantages over certain lineups and it is at least slightly more difficult to play vs others, especially in EP. I've been doing it across the board for consistency's sake as an expirement. FYI, my winrate doing this is relatively close to my long term winrate at 5/10 and 10/20 combined over approximately 50K hands with the same SD/100.

jsnipes28 03-12-2007 12:04 AM

Re: kerpowski\'s minraise open
 
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makes for good 4betting

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As I quickly discovered

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Also allows him to exploit those who are 3b light more (esp when hes opening in CO or BN) bc a rr is going to be much smaller % of his stack. And if they are still rr like they would against a normal open (size-wise) then that will obviously be very exploitable as well.


There are definetly some merits to it.

Ansky 03-12-2007 12:09 AM

Re: kerpowski\'s minraise open
 
i 3bet him a lot, he seems to dislike it.

DJ Sensei 03-12-2007 12:13 AM

Re: kerpowski\'s minraise open
 
a significant advantage of many strategies like this that are uncommon, especially when employed by very good/known players, is that most everybody else is completely clueless about how to respond to it appropriately.

PerDoom 03-12-2007 12:16 AM

Re: kerpowski\'s minraise open
 
Isn't the obvious solution to 3bet the same size regardless of open?

kerpowski 03-12-2007 12:19 AM

Re: kerpowski\'s minraise open
 
yeah, if you're who I think you are then you're one of the only people who's adjusted very well. you might play back a bit too much OOP, esp considering that I'll be seeing the flop in position with a wide range. when you're in position you're tough though... thus my frequent seat changing on you.

jsnipes28 03-12-2007 12:23 AM

Re: kerpowski\'s minraise open
 
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Isn't the obvious solution to 3bet the same size regardless of open?

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DJ Sensei 03-12-2007 12:31 AM

Re: kerpowski\'s minraise open
 
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Isn't the obvious solution to 3bet the same size regardless of open?

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you mean if he opens to 35 you 3bet to 120, if he opens to 20 you 3-bet to 120?

that sounds pretty bad. you're just laying yourself really bad odds on the pot if you overbet that much.

Senor Choppy 03-12-2007 12:57 AM

Re: kerpowski\'s minraise open
 
One of the interesting things this raise size accomplishes is it can cause preflop to play almost twice as deep as normal.

A min-raise is 40% of the pot. If someone 3bets pot, and he min-raises again, the pot is now less than half of "normal".

10 -> 20 -> 75 -> 150
10 -> 35 -> 120 -> 375

If people are mindlessly pushing with AK for 100 bbs correctly, this can quickly become a losing play against this player.

I don't do this myself because I don't like the idea of always guessing what my image is with new players. I like to make the normal raise and worry about other things.

Ansky 03-12-2007 12:57 AM

Re: kerpowski\'s minraise open
 
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yeah, if you're who I think you are then you're one of the only people who's adjusted very well. you might play back a bit too much OOP, esp considering that I'll be seeing the flop in position with a wide range. when you're in position you're tough though... thus my frequent seat changing on you.

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supernova9, pretty sure that its me you are referring to.


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