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Briman51 11-20-2007 03:34 PM

Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?
 
Playing $.12/$.25 NL 6 max on pacific poker. I've been quite aggressive so far and have played with villain in a couple of sessions in the past few days, my 99 out ran his AA just before this hand on a different table.

Villain is a tight player (for a six max table). He's 35/10/2.6.

Seat 1: BB (Villain) ( $30.14 )
Seat 2: UTG ( $24.06 )
Seat 3: UTG+1 ( $11.58 )
Seat 4: <font color="red"> Hero </font> ( $20.97 )
Seat 5: Button ( $23.69 )
Seat 8: SB ( $14.83 )

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to <font color="red"> Hero </font> [ T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
UTG folds.
UTG+1 folds.
<font color="red"> Hero </font> raises [$0.9].
Button calls [$0.9].
SB calls [$0.78].
Villain calls [$0.65].
** Dealing Flop ($3.50) ** [ 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
SB checks.
Villain bets [$5].
<font color="red"> Hero </font> ???

Apart from the obvious advice of "fold preflop". What's my play here?

wingchunflush 11-20-2007 03:38 PM

Re: Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?
 
Lead the flop, you raised preflop looking to hit your hand and you did. If you had AK here you would still lead so why play it different now?

thoman8r 11-20-2007 03:39 PM

Re: Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?
 
Fold pre-flop. Fold flop. None of your outs are clean. In fact you could be drawing dead already and you still have 2 people left to act.

thoman8r 11-20-2007 03:39 PM

Re: Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Lead the flop, you raised preflop looking to hit your hand and you did. If you had AK here you would still lead so why play it different now?

[/ QUOTE ]

He can't lead the flop.

mickeyzee 11-20-2007 03:40 PM

Re: Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?
 
Fold. Too many people in this pot. Your straight draw and spade have very little value here.

buttonpusher 11-20-2007 03:40 PM

Re: Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?
 
It's not much of a combo draw. You said villain is tight and I think his bet represents a high spade at least, meaning your spade draw is likely useless. That leaves just 6 outs instead of 8 to hit the straight. I'd fold now as well as preflop.

Briman51 11-20-2007 03:40 PM

Re: Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?
 
The post may not be clear so just to confirm - the BB (villain) led the flop.

AZplaya 11-20-2007 03:41 PM

Re: Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?
 
fold flop, your draw looks alot prettier than it is.

infinity235 11-20-2007 03:42 PM

Re: Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?
 
I fold here... your combo draw is no good. Your flush outs are easily not worth anything because any of the other 3 people could have a higher spade than you (even though it's unlikely villain has it because this line looks like someone trying to defend top pair or 2p) or already a made flush (which destroys your straight outs)...

With bad relative position and 2 people yet to act behind you, a huge overbet a monotone board with the 5th nut flush draw and a straight draw (whose outs need to be discounted a lot), this is an EASY fold. Not even close.

Briman51 11-20-2007 03:43 PM

Re: Combo draw, over pot bet, my action?
 
Cheers guys that was a fairly quick unanimous response.

What actually happened was that I pushed thinking he had alot of fold equity. I figured him for a solid made hand such as two pair of possibly a set. What do you think his range is here?


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