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Dalinoth 12-15-2006 10:30 AM

Best line to take here?
 
This is a hand from last night's Tilt 35k guarantee. I was helping a friend play and we vigorously disagreed over the correct line for hero's hand here. Hero has just gotten to the table 5 minutes before and has no reads on anyone yet.

What's the best line to take here?

Thanks.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t250/t500
(Ante: t50)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t6153
UTG+1: t25155
Hero: t11061
MP2: t13760
MP3: t8310
CO: t21150
Button: t11696
SB: t5470
BB: t8625

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP1 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t1500</font>, MP2 calls t1500 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t2700)</font>, 5 folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t4200, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets t3000</font>, Hero calls t3000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t7200)</font>.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t10200, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t3000</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises to t7000</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in t3511</font>.
Uncalled bets: t489 returned to MP2.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t23222, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t23222)


Results:
Final pot: t23222

mornelth 12-15-2006 11:07 AM

Re: Best line to take here?
 
I like it as played.

Cornell Fiji 12-15-2006 11:14 AM

Re: Best line to take here?
 
I don't like the pf raise when you are MP1 but the rest is fine.

I always c-bet everything so I would have led out small and hoped to get raised.

Given that you decided to check, the rest of the hand is perfect

Rocco 12-15-2006 11:15 AM

Re: Best line to take here?
 
Bet the flop! Against one opponent and a flop like this, you are expected to make a continuation bet, and should therefore do so. A check here looks suspicious. There's a chance you might get a call from a hand that otherwise would check through. If your opponent knows the concept of continuation bets, he expects you to bet out hands like AK/AQ.

Fiksdal 12-15-2006 11:17 AM

Re: Best line to take here?
 
Flop is horrible. I bet it, just like I would c-bet any flop when I miss. Any villain with some kind of a brain should become very suspicious when you don't cbet this flop. Also, if the table happens to see you not bet this flop, you can say goodbye to your cbets later.

I don't mind your turn play, the money is going in. Open push is fine too.

Dalinoth 12-15-2006 11:18 AM

Re: Best line to take here?
 
Doesn't anyone think that the turn bet is way too small given the pot size and remaining stacks?

Fiksdal 12-15-2006 11:24 AM

Re: Best line to take here?
 
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Doesn't anyone think that the turn bet is way too small given the pot size and remaining stacks?

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Personally I'd push but it doesn't really matter so much.

AceLuby 12-15-2006 01:03 PM

Re: Best line to take here?
 
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Doesn't anyone think that the turn bet is way too small given the pot size and remaining stacks?

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Personally I'd push and it matters because it's a huge tell to bet 1/2 your remaining stack w/out pushing

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FYP

Bakes 12-15-2006 01:08 PM

Re: Best line to take here?
 
everyone who is like bet bet bet this flop is wrong.

we have like 2x pot and three streets to get it in, people suck and image isn't a concern here. Hero just got to the table and your worried about metagame? lol.

i wouldn't cbet this flop with AK. i'd rather c/r AI or c/f.

Bakes 12-15-2006 01:10 PM

Re: Best line to take here?
 
also "you can say goodbye to your cbets"

i don't see why you think this is true.


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