NL50:SB special flops nut, turn pairs board. Do I miss value here?
 

Recently I think I get too easily scared when the board pairs, I'm honestly questioning whether this fear might come from playing omaha where a paired board usually means boat.
In this hand I flop the nuts as a SB special.
BB is 37/6/0.45 over only 120 hands. Not really good but lucky so far as his chip stack indicates.
CO is 29/0.7/1.1 over 128 hands, down a BI so far. Also not the next Phil Ivey...
BTN is 47/0.3/0.6 over only 50 hands (WTF, loved this table).
I'm running at 16/11 so far.
Big question here: with one player pushing the turn (for his last few penny only of course) and two more in this hand, should I be reraising this turn? Guess I was a little shocked as I did not expect CO to push here. Plus: should I VB this river?


Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: $8.40
BTN: $24.15
Hero (SB): $61.50
BB: $124.50
UTG: $13.45
UTG+1: $52.40
UTG+2: $134.30
MP1: $73.10
MP2: $25.20

Pre-Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
5 folds, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($2) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.25</font>, BB calls $1.25, CO calls $1.25, BTN calls $1.25

Turn: ($7) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.50</font>, BB calls $4.50, <font color="red">CO raises to $6.65 and is All-In</font>, BTN calls $6.65, Hero calls $2.15, BB calls $2.15

River: ($33.60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players - 1 is All-In)
Hero ?

Re: NL50:SB special flops nut, turn pairs board. Do I miss value here?
 

Button only has about 1/3 stack left, so not worried about him. The Button is the worry cause of his stack. He is passive though so he might not raise a better hand and will probably call with worse.

Based on that, I think i val bet to about 20 and call a push as any 9 makes a straight now.

Too bad your straight flush didnt come home!

Re: NL50:SB special flops nut, turn pairs board. Do I miss value here?
 

Why not going over the Top at the Turn, after CO pushed? Another 8,T,Q on the River would be terrible, i would raise to 25$ after Button calls the All-in from the CO

Re: NL50:SB special flops nut, turn pairs board. Do I miss value here?
 

Against so many opponents, i would bet more on flop (potsize 2$) if CO goes all-in and BTN calls this, you can come over the top

Re: NL50:SB special flops nut, turn pairs board. Do I miss value here?
 

I c/c river as played. I don't think you even have an option of reraising the turn since he didn't even make it a min. raise.

Re: NL50:SB special flops nut, turn pairs board. Do I miss value here?
 

Bet all streets (obv), but bigger.

Re: NL50:SB special flops nut, turn pairs board. Do I miss value here?
 

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I c/c river as played. I don't think you even have an option of reraising the turn since he didn't even make it a min. raise.

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I really think we need to bet this river.

They will not be betting this river for us enough w/ hands that would have called river bets.

If they have a boat and we get stacked, so be it.

There are just too many hands that will be paying us off. Top 2, Top pair, trip 8s. We can get more value from our hand here, c/c'ing hoping they bet a worse hand/draw and fearing that they sometimes boated up,is to weak.

FIRE away.

Re: NL50:SB special flops nut, turn pairs board. Do I miss value here?
 

I'm firing 30 here and fine with getting it in. As mentioned this is a board allows for a ton of weaker hands for you to get value from.

Re: NL50:SB special flops nut, turn pairs board. Do I miss value here?
 

I lead river for $8, hopign that BB folds and Button over pushes. This bet of 1/2 the buttons stack gives us lots of info and protects us from getting over-exposed to the big stack. Sticky spot here is when the BB smooth calls and the Button pushes, then you have a tough decision. Of course, since the BB isn't a good player, you can get an overlay on the side pot from him in this worst case scenario.

Re: NL50:SB special flops nut, turn pairs board. Do I miss value here?
 

yep you missed a lot of value