200NL: WTF? how did the pot get so big?
 

UTG raiser was 38/15 (FWIW) but i have NO reads on villain (BTN). he just sat down.

1. what's your play on the turn?
2. am i right in thiking we have to call the river if we call the turn?
3. What's the worst hand you raise PF in this situation?

Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $457.60
UTG: $141.25
MP: $38.85
CO: $194.15
BTN: $241
Hero (SB): $229.15

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Qhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, BTN calls $2, <font color="red">Hero raises to $13</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $11, BTN calls $11

Flop: ($41) 2http://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif Jhttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/diamond.gif 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $24</font>, UTG folds, BTN calls $24

Turn: ($89) Khttp://www.legopoker.com/hh/images/club.gif (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $55</font>, Hero?

Re: 200NL: WTF? how did the pot get so big?
 

3. I deffo don't raise QJo

Re: 200NL: WTF? how did the pot get so big?
 

3-imo, probably something like A8s+ ATo+
(and I think even that's a wide range oop in multiway pot.AJ definitly, not sure if lower kickers are good enough tbh)

Re: 200NL: WTF? how did the pot get so big?
 

UTG raiser was 38/15 (FWIW) but i have NO reads on villain (BTN). he just sat down.

1. what's your play on the turn? <font color="blue"> im folding as played, but prob b/f is much better </font>

2. am i right in thiking we have to call the river if we call the turn? <font color="blue"> definitely not. there really arent THAT many situations where we "have" to call the river just because we caled the turn.... ask Jay Riall about this, i think he'll agree</font>

3. What's the worst hand you raise PF in this situation? <font color="blue"> PF is whatever. im not a huge fan of raising QJo unlesss you've seen UTG limp/fold several times before, but raising isnt terrible

in this situation i raise any pair, A8+, KJ+, and sometimes other random hands if UTG likes to fold postflop everytime he misses </font>

Re: 200NL: WTF? how did the pot get so big?
 

i would lead turn for 65. The king is a good scare card.

check/fold is less variance and plays it safe.
check/raise all in is only good with a read

Re: 200NL: WTF? how did the pot get so big?
 

1. I would b (~55)/f turn. The king is a good card for you to take down the pot right now.
2. No. If you get called on turn, I guess we are beaten, by K, better J, trips, two-pair (wich all fit in limp/call pre)
3. The line is somewhere in the QJ range

Re: 200NL: WTF? how did the pot get so big?
 

forgot that KJ is indeed an obvious raise because you are most likely not dominated because of the limpers.

Re: 200NL: WTF? how did the pot get so big?
 

very weak flop bet, no ?

Re: 200NL: WTF? how did the pot get so big?
 

1. fold
2. don't throw away good money after bad
3. small blind normally i would not raise with qj off suit, unless i'm the biggest stack, then anything is game

Re: 200NL: WTF? how did the pot get so big?
 

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2. don't throw away good money after bad

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Define "good money after bad."