Stud8 Aces up fold
 

7 Card Stud High-Low ($30/$60), Ante $5, Bring-In $10 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.33 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 4: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls

4th Street - (5.33 SB)

Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls___calls___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises___raises
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___raises___calls

5th Street - (8.67 BB)

Seat 3: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls
Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 8: xx xx J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

Alright I'll bite you've lost me on this one Blump. Misclick or something? Closing the action you have to call here not to mention im not totally convinced you are behind yet.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3225208
pokenum -mc 500000 -7s8 3c ah as 3d 6c - jh ad 8s jc js - 6s ac 8c 2c 4c / 8d td th 5s 3s qh
7-card Stud Hi/Low 8-or-better: 500000 sampled outcomes
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As 6c 3c 3d Ah 0 26306 473694 0 52698 28959 610 0.079
Js 8s Jc Ad Jh 0 335114 164886 0 0 0 0 0.335
6s Ac 8c 4c 2c 123395 138580 361420 0 446692 52698 610 0.586

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

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Alright I'll bite you've lost me on this one Blump. Misclick or something? Closing the action you have to call here not to mention im not totally convinced you are behind yet.

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Since we can see all the Aces, what could Seat 8 have to put in that much action? Hero's got one out to fill up and needs 2 cards to make any kind of low. I think it's a good fold, and by extension think capping 4th is wrong as well.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

If you can tell me who seat 8 is I can probably name at least one hand he's played retardedly enough to make me not fold here.

I understand exactly what you're saying and the reasoning behind the fold, and it looks like it was probably a good laydown but I've seen so much retarded stuff that it's hard to fold. If you didn't have the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] I think you need to showdown for sure.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

Why are we jamming fourth with this ridiculously dead hand against A6 and a player who thinks betting into A3 and A6 is a good idea? If he has the slightest clue we need to slow the hell down, and if he doesn't we can't fold fifth.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

wow That would be tough for me to fold considering there's literally only about 1 hand he could have there unless he's on some insane bluff, which as said already I've seen some really terrible moves by other people in spots like this before, at this level and a little lower. Really gross position for you, but I would imagine it was a great fold.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

BTW if this is a HORSE game it's an auto call down as he can be retardedly raising AJKA or whatever.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

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BTW if this is a HORSE game it's an auto call down as he can be retardedly raising AJKA or whatever.

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stars stud8

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

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I think it's a good fold, and by extension think capping 4th is wrong as well.

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I thought that by capping 4th I could see if would still lead 5th, allowing me to make what I thought would be a smart fold. Otherwise, it wouldn't be as clear, and it might cost me on the big bet streets.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

what was the outcome of this hand by the way?

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

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Alright I'll bite you've lost me on this one Blump. Misclick or something? Closing the action you have to call here not to mention im not totally convinced you are behind yet.

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What do you put them on? Look at our boards from the J's perspective.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

What this guy said. Capping fourth and folding fifth don't make any sense.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

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What this guy said. Capping fourth and folding fifth don't make any sense.

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Andy, did you read my response to him?

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

I totally buy capping Fourth. The Jacks could be trying to get value from multiple low draws, and Hero is way way ahead of all hands with a Jack in them except one.

When the Jack leads Fifth into what could be two made lows or a low and Aces+ (asking to get raised in other words), that narrows his hand range down to that one hand hero isn't beating.

I have no beef with the cap on Four, and I think the fold on Five is, like, the kind of poker I aspire to.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

good fold, one i'd never be capable of making...

however i still dont think he was rolled up for some reason, results?

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

Does that sequence really make you that much more confident that the other guy is rolled? When he three-bets on fourth, it either means trips or brain damage. The cap followed by the lead on fifth doesn't really change that. If you're going to fold to the bet on fifth--and I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't--you should fold to the three-bet on fourth.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

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I totally buy capping Fourth. The Jacks could be trying to get value from multiple low draws, and Hero is way way ahead of all hands with a Jack in them except one.


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IMO the 4th Street action gives away seat 8's hand to one thing. If he doesn't have rolled Jacks, then he:

o called a completion from an Ace which were totally live on 3rd with JJx
o bet into someone showing strength with an Ace and another low draw who just caught an Ace, and then 3-bets with JJAx

Are they that aggressive at 30/60? Granted I dump my big pairs at the drop of a hat, but this seems suicidal to do so without having JJJ and which is why I would slow down on 4th.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

He had rolled jacks. The other guy had a made 8 on 5th.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

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What this guy said. Capping fourth and folding fifth don't make any sense.

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I think once three bets go in the cap makes some sense. But it's obvious from his lead villain isn't afraid to get into a jammed pot on fourth, and I think it's a bad idea to give him what he wants.

Re: Stud8 Aces up fold
 

i think you played this very well and lost the minimum