3bet situations with overpairs + a read
 

35/11/1.3 ~ 150 hands Seen him pull this w/2 pair+, sets, etc.

Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 4 Players
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Hero (SB): $405.25
BB: $386.30
UTG: $510.60
BTN: $703.21

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $14</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $46</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $32

Flop: ($96) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $60</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $120</font>

16/12/3 ~400 hands. Never seem him go out of line. Seen him do this with hands that would beat me.


Party Poker, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $455.50
CO: $358
BTN: $715
SB: $485.96
BB: $237.39

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $16</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $58</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $42

Flop: ($122) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $88</font>, Hero calls $88

Turn: ($298) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $310</font>

Re: 3bet situations with overpairs + a read
 

Sounds like neither guy has made these plays and been out of line. If that's the case, you should visit foldtown.

Re: 3bet situations with overpairs + a read
 

fold both hands!

Re: 3bet situations with overpairs + a read
 

I kinda think we should fold JJ preflop. Maybe just don't tell anyone you did.

I guess fold hand 1 though i'm not happy about it. Sometimes they show up w/ something dumb like AJ or KJ.

Re: 3bet situations with overpairs + a read
 

Raise more PF in hand 1. I guess we have to fold flop now that you bet... sucks though. And fold hand 2. Don't fold PF.

Re: 3bet situations with overpairs + a read
 

hand 2 is a fold you are like never good here against these guys and you are only getting like 2-1

Hand 1 is obviously a lot closer, and my decision would depend more on immediate history, my default is push but I repop a ton against players like this...

Re: 3bet situations with overpairs + a read
 

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hand 2 is a fold you are like never good here against these guys and you are only getting like 2-1

Hand 1 is obviously a lot closer, and my decision would depend more on immediate history, my default is push but I repop a ton against players like this...

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yea this is how i feel about both. my standard would definitely be to shove in hand 1 though just because the board is so drawy.


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I kinda think we should fold JJ preflop. Maybe just don't tell anyone you did.

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?!?!?!?!

Re: 3bet situations with overpairs + a read
 

Is there any chance he wants to discourage you from betting the turn in hand 1? I'd probably call and fold turn UI. Is calling here a leak?

Second hand, without a reason to think I have the best hand, I fold.

Re: 3bet situations with overpairs + a read
 

1 push and its not nearly as close as kaufman said. Toronto must be [censored] with his head.

Hand 2 is ez fold.

Re: 3bet situations with overpairs + a read
 

hand 2: is the consensus for a fold on the flop or turn?