200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/175bb
 

Btn is 26/8/2.3 over 1k hands.

BB is 2+2er Pdoran and is 20/14/3 over 1k hands

EDIT: Oh, and I've been running bad for the last 45 days or so, so him sucking out w/ 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] increases to 60% and him having a set increases more as well.


Not sure what my best flop line is.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $194
BTN: $229.15
Hero (SB): $353.75
BB: $384.45
UTG: $418.35

Pre-Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $6</font>, Hero calls $5, BB calls $4

Flop: ($18) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $14</font>, BB calls $14, <font color="red">BTN raises to $48</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $130</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $378.45 and is All-In</font>, BTN calls $175.15 and is All-In, Hero??

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/175bb
 

Close eyes, call, wait 10 seconds open. With more than 1/3 stack in and 220 to win 930, I'm not folding. Looks to me like there is def. poss of set over set but I'd be surprised if anyone folds here.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/175bb
 

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Not sure what my best flop line is.


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think u got it. don't really like c/ring against 2 opponents, since pfr's have a higher tendency to check behind.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/175bb
 

what are the odds of drawing to quads again?

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/175bb
 

just noticed ur 200bbs deep, uffffgghghh I dunno just get the money in I guess but the bb's line is mad strong.

just hope for 6h4h

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

I'd tend to muck here. he flat called your bet in sandwich position and then shoved to "raise and reraise"!? Button looks like JJ-AA or AT, AJh+ here. I see BB has TT or 55 there 80% of the time or 46h 20% of the time at most. Just let it go. Getting all in with bottom set for 175bb deep when facing crazy action is just too risky.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

wow u post hands quickly. this happened like 10 mins ago.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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wow u post hands quickly. this happened like 10 mins ago.

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Well I stopped playing after some retard limp called $26 only to hit a set and stack my AK bluffing AI on the turn. And I was only playing 4 tables so I had time to post it.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

right on. it could very easily been an hour ago and i wouldnt be able to tell the difference i dont think. just got done with a 10 hour session.

yeah limp/call RR hit set usually lifetilts me really bad.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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I'd tend to muck here. he flat called your bet in sandwich position and then shoved to "raise and reraise"!? Button looks like JJ-AA or AT, AJh+ here. I see BB has TT or 55 there 80% of the time or 46h 20% of the time at most. Just let it go. Getting all in with bottom set for 175bb deep when facing crazy action is just too risky.

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Seriously? We have almost 70BB's in the pot already, its like 105bb's to win 460+ getting appx 4.5 to 1, how can you fold 1 bi to win 4.5 with a set? I think there must be odds to call this almost every time, people shove FD's obv, and BB can have 46. I really cant imagine folding this.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

pdoran, wtf are you doing?

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

So sick. I'd fold.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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pdoran, wtf are you doing?

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His line with 55 looks fine to me tbh.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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I'd tend to muck here. he flat called your bet in sandwich position and then shoved to "raise and reraise"!? Button looks like JJ-AA or AT, AJh+ here. I see BB has TT or 55 there 80% of the time or 46h 20% of the time at most. Just let it go. Getting all in with bottom set for 175bb deep when facing crazy action is just too risky.

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Seriously? We have almost 70BB's in the pot already, its like 105bb's to win 460+ getting appx 4.5 to 1, how can you fold 1 bi to win 4.5 with a set? I think there must be odds to call this almost every time, people shove FD's obv, and BB can have 46. I really cant imagine folding this.

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that could be right too, but against a good TAG 2p2er, I really don't think he would shove 46h there when he sees a bet and a reraise and there's not much FE there. I could be wrong or too nitty. I really want to know what BB had there.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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pdoran, wtf are you doing?

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His line with 55 looks fine to me tbh.

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flat calling a drawish board wih a passive player behind when imrahil is probably going for a b3bai. im not a fan

but yeah if he doesnt have 55 here he is just godawful id give him credit and fold here too

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

What % of the time does everyone think we are we drawing to 1 out here?

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

He has to have 55. He better have 55. I think he has 55.

Fold.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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What % of the time does everyone think we are we drawing to 1 out here?

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I don't know, but my guess would be 80%+ given that circumstance.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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right on. it could very easily been an hour ago and i wouldnt be able to tell the difference i dont think. just got done with a 10 hour session.

yeah limp/call RR hit set usually lifetilts me really bad.

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The guy who did it is BTN in this hand lol.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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pdoran, wtf are you doing?



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Yeah I don't really understand this either pdoran. The button is probably folding or flat calling so often here and since stars is rigged the turn is 100% going to be the biggest action killer ever. Plus I just tend to assume when a 2p2er leads a flop like this multiway they are b/3 betting pretty often.

I am assuming you had 55 given this hand was posted.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

so Imrahil, what did bb have? 55 right?

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

Button has Aces. PDoran has 55 for middle set, Imrahi has 33 for bottom set...PDoran wins the pot with three of a kind, fives.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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Button has Aces. PDoran has 55 for middle set, Imrahi has 33 for bottom set...PDoran wins the pot with three of a kind, fives.


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Were you at the table or is this just your guess?

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

My guess.

The other guy could have like AK hearts here as well and could have sucked out.

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pdoran, wtf are you doing?

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His line with 55 looks fine to me tbh.

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flat calling a drawish board wih a passive player behind when imrahil is probably going for a b3bai. im not a fan

but yeah if he doesnt have 55 here he is just godawful id give him credit and fold here too

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Looks a pretty dry board to me, but given the guy is passive I don't like it rethinking it.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/175bb
 

33..............................12.460%
TT,55,6h4h......................70.103%
TT+,AhKh,AhQh,AhJh,KhQh,6h4h....17.437%

FOLD

What did you end up doing?

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

I fold and feel really good about it.

If we held 55 it'd be a call.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

What is your image? What do you think he thinks of you? You could conceivably isolate raise with a wider range than just sets if the button is a donk. I would not fold here.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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33..............................12.460%
TT,55,6h4h......................70.103%
TT+,AhKh,AhQh,AhJh,KhQh,6h4h....17.437%

FOLD



What did you end up doing?

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He can have A2/A4/AQ-AThh too

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

I wouldn't consider villain a donk. I think when he raises he usually has a very good hand. I haven't been out of line or anything so pdoran should view me as solid.

Also he can't have AThh because the Th is out there. And he would definitely squeeze AQs PF.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

since pdoran is 2p2 and imra is pretty damn tight, when imra donks into 2 players, where a CCer is getting trapped in between the donking and the pfrer, pdoran has got to put him on a set

i'm still not quite sure what this means

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

BB should never have 55 or TT

discuss

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BB should never have 55 or TT

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ive never seen this action from a std straightforward player (maybe a bad assumption) and not been show 55/TT (especially w/ these stacks).

discuss

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BB should never have 55 or TT

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ive never seen this action from a std straightforward player (maybe a bad assumption) and not been show 55/TT (especially w/ these stacks).

discuss

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What I'm saying is:

If BB has 55 or TT, he has played them poorly
Since I assume he doesn't play poorly, I think he doesn't have 55/TT

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BB should never have 55 or TT

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ive never seen this action from a std straightforward player (maybe a bad assumption) and not been show 55/TT (especially w/ these stacks).

discuss

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What I'm saying is:

If BB has 55 or TT, he has played them poorly
Since I assume he doesn't play poorly, I think he doesn't have 55/TT

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fair nuff -- i think hes got it though! ive never played with villain so i dunno what hes capable of.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

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What is your image? What do you think he thinks of you? You could conceivably isolate raise with a wider range than just sets if the button is a donk. I would not fold here.

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I wouldn't expect you to.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

Theoretically this is a very very easy call because:

1) Button has hands like JJ+ in his range.
2) BB doesn't have 55/TT

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/175bb
 

I call this pretty fast. BB's line looks like a drawing hand that was happy to peel one off at first, then once a ton of money went in said "F it I gotta just get it in now." If he's good/bad enough to play a set this way, oh well.

If button has a set, make sure to win the side pot.

If they both have sets, quit for the day/week/year.

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What is your image? What do you think he thinks of you? You could conceivably isolate raise with a wider range than just sets if the button is a donk. I would not fold here.

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I wouldn't expect you to.

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I loled


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Theoretically this is a very very easy call because:

1) Button has hands like JJ+ in his range.
2) BB doesn't have 55/TT

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But do you think BB shoves a FD + SD on the flop after he sees my ultra strong line which probably means set or Axs w/ FD + SD? There's all this side pot crap so I don't know how that would factor into his thinking there.

Re: 200NL- Flop bottom set in Btn vs Blinds and I face sick action w/1
 

meh. we have a set.