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Andy B 12-01-2007 03:53 PM

Re: Razz .50/1 - betting 6th and 7th
 
This guy just raised sixth street when he had a Nine against a very obvious Eight. You can't fold to a river raise.

RustyBrooks 12-01-2007 04:06 PM

Re: Razz .50/1 - betting 6th and 7th
 
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If he never bluff-raises then it's a bet-fold, no? Even if he bluff raises fairly a bit you make more bet-folding.

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bet/folding seventh here is like setting the appropriate amount of money on fire

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If your opponent will NEVER raise as a bluff on the end then bet/fold is the obvious play. I don't believe such an opponent really exists.

The equilibrium point where folding is the same as calling is something like .2/15 which is about 1.3%. I don't treat razz like NLHE where you can give your opponent at least a 10% chance of bluffing but I can easily think that most razz opponents are capable of bluffing 1.3% of the time.

RustyBrooks 12-01-2007 04:07 PM

Re: Razz .50/1 - betting 6th and 7th
 
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I don't know why you need comments on sixth. You have a board lock and a super draw. Get your money in there. I'd definitely bet the river. He's going to look you up with a worse hand, and he's unlikely to raise.

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He'll raise every time he can beat an 8, imo.

Andy B 12-01-2007 04:18 PM

Re: Razz .50/1 - betting 6th and 7th
 
I s'pose. Are you saying that we shouldn't bet the river?

Andy B 12-01-2007 04:19 PM

Re: Razz .50/1 - betting 6th and 7th
 
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I don't believe such an opponent really exists.

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So why even bring it up? Bet/folding the river would be absurd.

Praxising 12-01-2007 05:32 PM

Re: Razz .50/1 - betting 6th and 7th
 
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Bet/folding the river would be absurd.

[/ QUOTE ] I agree, not even an option, tho' when he bet I was about 90% sure he'd sucked out on me. But I don't agree this is boardlock:

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6th Street - (6.30 BB)

Hero: 2 5 4 A 8 9___bets___raises
Seat 5: xx xx J 9 6 2___raises___calls


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I know definitions of words evolve and are sometimes situational. But while this display means I have him beaten on 6th, in my lexicon "boardlock" is when he <u>cannot</u> win on the river regardless of what card he gets. So, J96T would be boardlock, because the best possible hand he can make is a 9 hi. With the board he had, he could still make a 6. Which he did.

Andy B 12-01-2007 05:41 PM

Re: Razz .50/1 - betting 6th and 7th
 
I think that when everybody else uses the term "board-lock," they mean that the other guy currently cannot have you beaten. You have a board-lock on sixth, and as such should pump as much money into the pot as humanly possible.

iStackBooks 12-02-2007 12:12 AM

Re: Razz .50/1 - betting 6th and 7th
 
Bet/folding here is gross but only because our opponent might be bad enough to raise with a worse hand. Personally, I think that there are tons of players who NEVER raise on a bluff here... i'm one of them - especially in a micro game.

Sp00n 12-02-2007 12:19 AM

Re: Razz .50/1 - betting 6th and 7th
 
Nobody folds anything at Razz, bluffing here is a huge mistake vs 99.9999999999% of players.

ChipsAhoya 12-02-2007 12:35 AM

Re: Razz .50/1 - betting 6th and 7th
 
Prax, your definition of boardlocked is drawing dead, then. It's helpful to distinguish between the two...

-ChipsAhoya


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