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muffins 11-24-2007 09:57 AM

when do you fold medium pairs PF?
 
A few times tonight in $6.50's I've run TT/JJ/QQ in KK/AA and wondering if I am playing them right. Situation would be something like blinds at 25/50, normal stacks. I open to say 4-5xBB in MP with a semi-tight image at least and get min or a little more re-raised from a decent player. In this situation is a push likely to be +EV?

rockstar626 11-24-2007 10:23 AM

Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
 
Ill have to say, when I first read the subject line, I thought this would have been about "medium pp", but anyway....

You open 4-5x with pp10+ and a "decent player" reraises, early on,IDK, I am most certainly playing QQ+ for my stack, but would probably lay down jj-...

The level you are playing is important also. IN 6.50's you have an enormous amount of people who absolutely love to overplay AK here.

MyGeneration 11-24-2007 10:40 AM

Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
 
In this situation I'm pushing QQ+, calling his 3bet with JJ and folding TT-.

Try opening to only 3x BB, making it easier to fold/call medium PP's when reraised.

HajiShirazu 11-24-2007 01:19 PM

Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
 
Opening to 4-5x is just an awful play, especially with these hands, all you accomplish is folding out all worse hands while committing yourself against better pairs/AK.
Even if you are raising 3bb usually with QQ you aren't getting away from it at 25/50, jacks are read dependent, tens even more so.

muffins 11-24-2007 05:48 PM

Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
 
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Opening to 4-5x is just an awful play, especially with these hands, all you accomplish is folding out all worse hands while committing yourself against better pairs/AK.


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Thanks for the advice - I will play with my raising ranges a bit today. I guess I'm just worried about how many callers I get sometimes with a 3x raise at the $6.50s.

DMACM 11-24-2007 05:54 PM

Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
 
no it isnt.

blowbubbles 11-24-2007 06:27 PM

Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
 
If you were up against me in this situation I would hope you reraised, because this early I only do this with QQ+. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

drzen 11-24-2007 06:57 PM

Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
 
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In this situation I'm pushing QQ+, calling his 3bet with JJ and folding TT-.

Try opening to only 3x BB, making it easier to fold/call medium PP's when reraised.

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Unless you have a read, I'm not sure why you would call with JJ but fold TT.

muffins 11-24-2007 08:52 PM

Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
 
Here's a similar example, so this is always a fold? Or do you fold this preflop?

Poker Stars, $6 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: 1,135
Hero (UTG): 1,545
UTG+1: 1,725
MP: 1,580
CO: 700
BTN: 4,950
SB: 1,865

Pre-Flop: (300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to 500</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to 1,580 and is All-In</font>

taipan168 11-24-2007 08:55 PM

Re: when do you fold medium pairs PF?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Here's a similar example, so this is always a fold? Or do you fold this preflop?

Poker Stars, $6 + $0.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 100/200 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: 1,135
Hero (UTG): 1,545
UTG+1: 1,725
MP: 1,580
CO: 700
BTN: 4,950
SB: 1,865

Pre-Flop: (300) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to 500</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">MP raises to 1,580 and is All-In</font>

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I just open shove this preflop with &lt;10x BB. Raising 1/3 of your stack then even thinking about folding to a push is really bad.


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