misread my hand, winner mucks
 

100+ rebuy tourny.

I thought this sucked, but but didn't know what to do.

I hold A3, raise from button and am called by SB. Heads up.

flop is 244. He checks, I bet.
turn is a J. he checks, I bet.
River is a 6. I bet. He calls.

I turn over my hand and say, "I have a straight."
He throws his cards in the muck where they are quickly shuffled in.
Table goes crazy. I'm stunned. I realize I misread my hand.
Of course a few don't believe me.

Though I think it's mostly his fault, I pull a $20 from my pocket and drop it on the floor. I then say to SB, "Hey, you dropped some money." He picks it up and says thanks.

Was I wrong?

Re: misread my hand, winner mucks
 

Yes, you were wrong.

If the dealer pushed you the pot, then he's wrong.

If the floor ruled that you should get the pot, then he's wrong.

If SB stood by and did nothing while the pot was shipped to you, then he's wrong.

Re: misread my hand, winner mucks
 

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Yes, you were wrong.

If the dealer pushed you the pot, then he's wrong.

If the floor ruled that you should get the pot, then he's wrong.

If SB stood by and did nothing while the pot was shipped to you, then he's wrong.

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If opponent mucked his cards (did not table them) then its his fault. So it is correct for the dealer/floor to award the pot to OP.

Re: misread my hand, winner mucks
 

[ QUOTE ]
Yes, you were wrong.

If the dealer pushed you the pot, then he's wrong.

If the floor ruled that you should get the pot, then he's wrong.

If SB stood by and did nothing while the pot was shipped to you, then he's wrong.


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You would advocate it be standard operating procedure for a dealer to always push the pot to the "non misdeclared hand" player in this situation?

No floor necessary? Just have the dealer unilaterally decide to ship the pot to the only player with a dead hand on the river?

I think any rulling should go in favour of said player, but it has to be instituted by the floor. AND the decision to call the floor should be made by the offended party, not the dealer.

Re: misread my hand, winner mucks
 

There is a lot of blame to go around here, but hands get mis-called all the time. The SB should have waited to SEE your hand before mucking his cards. Going by your verbal call should not be sufficient.

Re: misread my hand, winner mucks
 

KITN all around - 1 for you miscalling your hand (I know you didn't do it intentionally but it still happened), 2 for other guy instamucking on a verbal declaration of what hands are out there and not looking for himself, and a kick in the cooter for the dealer because she didn't verify your hand before mixing the other guys cards with the muck.

Re: misread my hand, winner mucks
 

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If the floor ruled that you should get the pot, then he's wrong.


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What the hell?

OP's opponent mucked his hand, and the dealer mucked the cards. OP was wrong for miscalling his hand, the dealer was wrong for not reading the board, and the opponent was wrong for folding before the dealer announced OP's hand.

How could the floor have been wrong for awarding the pot to OP, when his hand is the only one that is still live? If the opponent's cards were not identifiable and retrievable - which in this case, they were not - then the opponent's hand was dead.

Re: misread my hand, winner mucks
 

I believe Robert's Rules say if you intentionally miscall your hand and your opponent mucks, your hand may be forfeit. (The lowball rules specifically state that your hand is dead, while the holdem rules only say may be dead.) Of course it's pretty difficult to prove intent.

Considering that it was a tourney, I think OP "dropping" $20 was a solid gesture. Good on ya, trying to make the best of a crappy situation.

Re: misread my hand, winner mucks
 

Everybody is at fault in this situation. This is why we have dealers; they manage the game. This dealer failed to do so. Unfortunately, SB had mucked his hand and OP has the only live cards. It's his pot. I'm not sure what the house would do in this instance.

I suppose a good lesson here is that you shouldn't call your hands; it's best to table them and let the dealer do it.

Re: misread my hand, winner mucks
 

I would award this pot to the small blind. (assuming this hand took place in some place like LA, Vegas, or Miss).