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xSCWx 10-10-2007 07:25 PM

NLTRN - 88+4 - TPTK vs. Strong-Looking Shove
 
We are 12 hands in. Villain has only played 2 heads ups according to Sharkscope and has lost both. Thus far villain has been consistent about raising his button for 3x BB and has cbet each pot for 2/3. This is the only flop where he has not cbet. However, I have reraised one of his cbets (with air) and he folded. Although I don't have enough hands to back it up, my impression of him is that he plays a standard game but is afraid of raises.

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Full Tilt Poker Game #3815931722: $88 + $4 Heads Up Sit & Go (29062445), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:11:45 ET - 2007/10/10
Seat 1: DAOJI888 (1,170)
Seat 2: xSCWx (1,830)

DAOJI888 posts the small blind of 20
xSCWx posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #1

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xSCWx [9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
DAOJI888 raises to 110
xSCWx calls 70

*** FLOP *** [2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
xSCWx checks
DAOJI888 checks

*** TURN *** [2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] [8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
xSCWx has 15 seconds left to act
xSCWx checks
DAOJI888 bets 140
xSCWx has 15 seconds left to act
xSCWx raises to 360
DAOJI888 raises to 1,060, and is all in
xSCWx has 15 seconds left to act
xSCWx calls 700


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Preflop: Anyone reraise this?

Flop: I expected that he would bet and I would take it down with a raise. When he checked I was immediately worried about a set.

Turn: I took as a delayed cbet until he shoved. I couldn't really put him on any hand played normally at this point except a set or JT. I figure he could just be misplaying stuff but it is hard to put that into a hand range. I only need to win 31% or something (I didn't do any math). I figure this makes it a pretty easy call with my hand, but what kind of hand range should I be calling with here?

Can I call with 97? 87?

Landonfan 10-10-2007 07:42 PM

Re: NLTRN - 88+4 - TPTK vs. Strong-Looking Shove
 
I call with 9x, but no less.

If he thinks you might raise his c-bet, I don't see why he wouldn't just bet a good hand on the flop. Then again, he may be thinking on that level too, and I don't want to go into levels of thought or my head my explode.

Wu36 10-10-2007 08:06 PM

Re: NLTRN - 88+4 - TPTK vs. Strong-Looking Shove
 
I'm villain in this hand, trying to learn sngs. I don't have much to say about the hand from my end as I was rather perplexed as to what to do. I think I'm worse at this format than stars, so any advice is appreciated.

daveT 10-10-2007 08:20 PM

Re: NLTRN - 88+4 - TPTK vs. Strong-Looking Shove
 
I don't mind the call, as It is possible to see hands like two overs + FD, middle pocket pair. 97 seems fine, but not 87.

Wu36, if you had two overs + FD, any big pair, two pair, a set, etc, you would want to just get it in on the flop.

xSCWx 10-10-2007 08:34 PM

Re: NLTRN - 88+4 - TPTK vs. Strong-Looking Shove
 
[ QUOTE ]
I'm villain in this hand, trying to learn sngs. I don't have much to say about the hand from my end as I was rather perplexed as to what to do. I think I'm worse at this format than stars, so any advice is appreciated.

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I'll send a PM so it doesn't derail the thread.

soop 10-10-2007 10:31 PM

Re: NLTRN - 88+4 - TPTK vs. Strong-Looking Shove
 
Pretty interesting turn check. I'm almost always leading this turn.

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I couldn't really put him on any hand played normally at this point except a set or JT. I figure he could just be misplaying stuff but it is hard to put that into a hand range.

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Yeah I really can't either. I guess calling with 97 and folding 87 is ok. It's hard to make any judgement as to whether he can show up with an 8 here.

holdme 10-10-2007 11:11 PM

Re: NLTRN - 88+4 - TPTK vs. Strong-Looking Shove
 
i would call because your hand is disguised well

Teph 10-10-2007 11:58 PM

Re: NLTRN - 88+4 - TPTK vs. Strong-Looking Shove
 
I don't like it a ton, but I would probably call. If villain has a set/overpair I would make a note and say nh.

DDBeast 10-11-2007 11:00 AM

Re: NLTRN - 88+4 - TPTK vs. Strong-Looking Shove
 
Yeah, your line really looks like BS, so I definitely call.

xSCWx 10-11-2007 11:08 AM

Re: NLTRN - 88+4 - TPTK vs. Strong-Looking Shove
 
He ended up showing A8, which is probably an equally interesting hand.

From villain's perspective (A8) I think that a cbet is imperative because the flop doesn't hit much besides hearts and the 9. As played I think his turn push is best.

Thoughts?


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