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davebreal 11-29-2007 01:40 PM

2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands
I was browsing the archive and feeling nostalgic for good PLO8 posts... maybe these will spur something.

I'm not interested in pre-flop comments. aggressor in both hands is "THEOLDLION", i don't have experience against him.

9 players
Converted at

Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$844.80</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$968.80</font>)
MP1 (<font color="#0000cc">$167.40</font>)
MP2 (<font color="#0000cc">$742.80</font>)
MP3 (<font color="#0000cc">$387.10</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$855.60</font>)
BTN (<font color="#0000cc">$158.10</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$376.00</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$234.30</font>)
[UTG+1 posted $2]
[UTG+1 posted $4]

Pre-flop: ($12, 9 players) Hero is UTG T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero calls $4, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $4, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#cc0000">BTN raises to $32</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $28, <font color="#777777">UTG+1 folds</font>, MP2 calls $28, <font color="#777777">CO folds</font>

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($112, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $112</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises to $448</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, <font color="#0000cc">[b], hero???

8 players
Converted at

UTG (<font color="#0000cc">$678.40</font>)
UTG+1 (<font color="#0000cc">$448.10</font>)
MP1 (<font color="#0000cc">$925.95</font>)
MP2 (<font color="#0000cc">$120.10</font>)
CO (<font color="#0000cc">$368.00</font>)
Hero (<font color="#0000cc">$868.45</font>)
SB (<font color="#0000cc">$918.60</font>)
BB (<font color="#0000cc">$161.40</font>)

Pre-flop: ($6, 8 players) Hero is BTN A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $14</font>, <font color="#777777">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $14, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $14, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, BB calls $10

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($58, 4 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $58</font>, <font color="#777777">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $58, <font color="#cc0000">BB goes all-in $147.4</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $558.2</font>, hero???

*Edit - Station please do not provide results or chat from this hand right now.

predator06 11-29-2007 03:42 PM

Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands
I get in on both hands, especially #1. There is no way you are beat here. Is there a reason why you arent interested in preflop comments? On #2, have you run A2xx vs KKxx vs your hand for expected value? I go by feel, and I would call, and then the 2s will hit.

predator06 11-29-2007 03:44 PM

Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands
He either has AKQJ or is 99.9% convinced that you would bluff here on the obvious board that nobody raising pf should hit.

howzit 11-29-2007 04:58 PM

Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands
hand 1: i would fold both streets.

hand 2: my gorilla math says folds.

GaZaZaZa 11-29-2007 07:58 PM

Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands
Unless u have a dead on read in hand one....i cant imagine that being a call, especially against an unknown i see no option but folding, you run into a set faaar to often hear to which you a screwed, not to mention that your not all that flash hot against a made straight, and no real backdoor low to bail you out if need be....

second hand.. its real close, math might just point to a fold, but i just cant let these hands go.. also im sure there are some meta game reasons to make this call, especially if you are properly rolled for this game, shove/call and pray

zizazziza 11-29-2007 08:26 PM

Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands
1) How is this not a call? I mean do you think he is overcalling pf with 78A2 or something like that? I mean even if he has a set of 6s, you still have backdoor FD, backdoor terrible low draw, and GSD and Boat-draw. I think this is a call
2) I think I'm calling cuz im a donkey.

Mendacious 11-29-2007 09:49 PM

Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands
1) I think I fold this.

2) Yuck! I could go either way. Very tough spot--. This makes me a fish, but this is probably mood dependent to me.

gergery 11-29-2007 10:54 PM

Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands
Those are both tough spots. OldLion can definitely be bluffing in the first hand but more likely its a semi-bluff. I don't think you are much ahead of his range tho.

second hand its less likely he's bluffing. problem is that vs two guys you can be even moneyish for main pot w and behind in the sidepot.

garcia1000 11-29-2007 11:04 PM

Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands
1) Fist pump all-in
2) Looks sick to me. I think it's pretty close but I would fold here. A2xx and a set is out there too often.

Assani Fisher 11-29-2007 11:06 PM

Re: 2 interesting $400 PLO8 hands
Dave and everyone else who has replied,

Thanks so much for starting interesting topics like these.
I love good discussions,and you guys really know how to spark them. I greatly respect all of you. On to the hands...

Hand #1: At first I didn't look at stack sizes(I thought he was all in) and said to call. With stacks that deep I fold it. At very best you're getting slightly enough odds considering his range to call here, and you're good enough to avoid those chances and still beat the game. At worst, you're crippled(any two low cards and 78 or any two low cards and a set).

2. I'm getting my money in here. Too many possibilities. Unless he has a total monster you're getting a good price, and the key difference between this and the first hand: Even when he does have that total monster(like A2 with a set) you still have quite a few outs.

Predator, Dave doesn't want preflop comments because he already knows that everyone will question his limp UTG in hand #1 and hes ok with it. Personally, I'd love to hear Dave actually debate it and explain why he makes such plays, but in the past(and in OP here) hes avoided such discussions.

I hope you all have a great day. The holiday season is getting close,and its such an exciting time of year for all. God bless.


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