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To me, squashing home run celebrations doesn't really do that.

I agree, however it does show up the other teams.

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we are who we are - but that's not a bad thing at all. we ran super [censored] this year at the end, but a few bullpen tweaks will have this team firing again.


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This sums up every Met's season for the past 10 years.

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Maybe if Reyes didn't do those dances NYM would be in the playoffs.


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Huh?

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I think the poster means that Jose's dance woke the Marlins up and made them want to beat the Mets on the last day of the season.

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the 86 mets showed everyone up

i hate to say this, but peterson should be fired. Sign Linebrink. Trade for a young but experience starting pitcher and more bullpen help

not much more we can do. Hope Glavine doesnt return.

Adding Pelfrey and Humber to the rotation does not solve our problems unless we think they can go 7 or 8 innings a start.

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Maybe if Reyes didn't do those dances NYM would be in the playoffs.


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Huh?

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I think the poster means that Jose's dance woke the Marlins up and made them want to beat the Mets on the last day of the season.

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Glavine sucking balls >>>> Marlins incentive to beat the mets

so i think it was irrelevant

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in other news...

glavine likely to decline his option and has until friday to decide

i guess this means he may go back to atlanta/retire coz there's no way he's getting paid that salary next year with any team...

same article went on to state that beltran had minor surgery on both knees...

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gallo, change that avatar or leave this thread

kthxbai

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also, with peterson, the more i think of it, the more i hope he doesn't get fired...it's a shame because his strengths are with young pitchers it seems and regardless, placing the entire pen's collapse on him is stupid anyway...

i really want to see him continue to work with pelfrey, who improved a bit at the end of the year and also work with humber...

maybe he's overrated and i can see the point, but it's worth noting the Big 3 in oakland fell off a bit after being separated from peterson and perez did not go from great to god awful back to decent by total luck...he also failed with some pitchers (zambrano, possibly pelfrey), but meh...

also, if he was gonna get fired, wouldn't it have already occurred by now??

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They need to keep Peterson hes not the problem.

Why should the mets sign Linebrink? Didn't he implode this year?

Any chance the Mets go after Kent for 2B?

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Mets ERA was over 5 in september and almost 5 in august.

Maybe it is peterson's workout regimen. I dont know.

But we didnt fire Willie. Someone is going to have to take the fall. And hitting wasnt the main problem

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we need to change this bullpen

yes maybe i would rather have bell, lindstrum, owens than linebrink but too late for that

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But we didnt fire Willie. Someone is going to have to take the fall. And hitting wasnt the main problem

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You need to blame the players and the way Omar coddled some of the players.

Willie has proven himself as a winner, management needs to allow him to win.

Most teams have similiar problems. How the team wins with those problems distinguishes them as winners.

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linebrink has been solid for a couple of years and was decent this last year despite a rough stretch...

regardless, he's an upgrade for a glaring problem...yea, he'll be overpaid, but whatever, this is the [censored] mets...

no way, stay away from kent and from anyone that might fall apart, get a prospect to fill it if castillo isn't coming back, again, offense i still don't think will be a problem...reyes sucked the 2nd half, delgado was bad, lo duca was bad, beltran usually is a bit better and alou was out a good amount, our offense isn't going to get worse, only better if anything...

pitching pitching pitching plz

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meh, willie being a proven winner...meh...

remember, a lot of us questioned a lot of his decisions before this season, a lot of those issues were covered up by the great success of the team last year...u know, before we were embarassed by the [censored] cards...

i agree, lots of teams have issues, but jeez, pitching is hard to fix, especially with the lack of options out there and the cruddy state of our farm...

i can't stand the guy, but someone like a weaver needs to be brought in who can eat a ton of innings, no pen is going to survive if they have to pitch this many innings in a season...

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meh, willie being a proven winner...meh...

remember, a lot of us questioned a lot of his decisions before this season, a lot of those issues were covered up by the great success of the team last year...u know, before we were embarassed by the [censored] cards...

i agree, lots of teams have issues, but jeez, pitching is hard to fix, especially with the lack of options out there and the cruddy state of our farm...

i can't stand the guy, but someone like a weaver needs to be brought in who can eat a ton of innings, no pen is going to survive if they have to pitch this many innings in a season...

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Valid point but we have a lot of time before we can make or announce any moves.

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There is no prospect that can fill at 2b, besides Gotay if you still consider him one. Hernandez is a disgrace to the uniform. Gotay could be a viable option, it's tough to say with so few MLB plate appearances. This is still a good team, but it might be another year before we fill some of the glaring holes, just by judging who is out there. Virtually every one of our "prospects" underperformed this year. Carp will not likely be a MLB starting caliber 1b. humber and Pelfrey remain overrated and underperforming. Mulvy had promising but misleading numbers, and lacks the peripherals at this point. Fernando Martinez is a ways away. Who knows about Gomez, Milledge looks promising.

This is a good team, not a great one. Don't expect any offseason moves this year to make the mets significantly better for next year, it just doesn't look likely at this point. With the exact same team, we will be contenders. This is more than most teams can say.

James

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James what about Guerra? Also, wasn't Hernandez named the Mets offensive player of the year in the farm system? I think Mulvy will be fine #3 or #4 starter for the Mets down the road.

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Why is Anderson Hernandez "a disgrace to the uniform"? He hit .301 at AAA (and was at .210 in mid-May). He may not be an all-star in the making, but "disgrace to the uniform" seems a little harsh, no?

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James what about Guerra? Also, wasn't Hernandez named the Mets offensive player of the year in the farm system? I think Mulvy will be fine #3 or #4 starter for the Mets down the road.

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I'd put Mulvy at a reasonable #4 or #5. But that is a very valuable commodity to have basically for free. The problem for me is that I see Mulvy, Humber, and Pelfrey all as #4s or #5s at this point, which means we may have to look to free agency for the front end of the rotation in the future - which is expensive and risky. Of course, Maine and perez should stem this for a while.

Regarding Guerra - He's great, so far - but he's Martinez's age and a ways away from the big leagues. It's possible that when he reaches the big leagues he will have front line potential - but it's way too early too tell. Silly oversight on my part not to mention him before.


The biggest problem with Hernandez is exactly that he is named the best offensive player in the metsfarm system.

He batted .301, but that is very misleading. 31 walks in 529 PA is terrible for a speedy light hitting guy. He slugs less than .400, which will be even worse in Shea. His 339 OBP in AAA is just not good at all - and he's already 25, which means he basically is what he is at this point. If he can get some plate discipline, I guess he could theoretically be a poor, poor man's Luis Castillo(from this year, not when Castillo was a good player). Hernandez is a true replacement level player. He has very good defense, and is a liability on offense. A reasonably fine guy to have on the bench as a defensive replacement for a hitting 2b, but not a guy you can waste 10-11% of the season's at bats on.

James

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But we didnt fire Willie. Someone is going to have to take the fall. And hitting wasnt the main problem

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You need to blame the players and the way Omar coddled some of the players.

Willie has proven himself as a winner, management needs to allow him to win.

Most teams have similiar problems. How the team wins with those problems distinguishes them as winners.

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Similiar problems?

Mets Pitcher's ERA by month:

April: 2.96
May: 3.73
June: 4.20
July: 4.50
August: 4.93
September: 5.14

most teams have pitchers who pitch worse and worse as the season goes on .. 5.14 in September?

here is more
batting avg against:
april: .227
may: .220
june: .253
july: .256
aug: .288
sept: .275

these things do not happen to good teams
the pitching fell apart
and peterson should be held accountable

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oh and we had a 5.07 ERA in 18 games against the Washington Nationals

that is 91 Earned runs against them
they scored 673 runs on the year

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r u [censored] serious?? damnit

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of course i am serious ....

and don't call me shirley

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Allow me to say something heretical:

Just because the pitching staff has a bad year does not mean that the pitching coach is bad and should be fired. This is particularly true when he has a demonstrated history of success.

After a while, of course, everyone is held accountable. But in Peterson's case, one bad half is not enough reason to replace him.

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right, i think peterson is more useful than not to the team and is there anyone with his credentials the mets can get??

still, this is a business and when players don't perform, coaches get axed a lot...

again, i would like to let him work with the younger pitchers

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If you had to choose which pitcher was better than Mota:

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Turk Wendell had at least 1/2 of a pretty good year.

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its not that the staff had a good year
it's that it got progressively worse

and he triggered the kazmir zambrano trade -- saying kazmir didnt have what it takes, and "I can fix victor zambrano" in 30 minutes

and he wasnt a guy willie hired. And i think omar is gonna let willie decide his fate imo

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I voted Franco pitching righty, but at least Wendell was excited when he pitched.

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BTW,

With the way the Phils series is going there is a chance the Mets are going to finish the year with a higher winning % than the Phils if you include the Phils playoffs. So I'm gonna say the mets won the NL East if the Phils get swept, percentage points baby. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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turk wendell had a lifetime 3.34 era as a met. last 4 years as a met worst era is 3.59

i dont understand the hate

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and wendell has a lot more heart than our bullpen does

i am honestly offended by the antiwendell comments, and demand a retraction immediately

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and wendell has a lot more heart than our bullpen does

i am honestly offended by the antiwendell comments, and demand a retraction immediately

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I strongly dislked the Turk. And almost everyone I talked to felt the same way, he might have pitched good, and the hate might not have any reason but it seemed I'm not alone here. I found him very very annoying.

John Franco though, [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] , favorite Met ever.

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kaz matsui has finally made me happy...

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and wendell has a lot more heart than our bullpen does

i am honestly offended by the antiwendell comments, and demand a retraction immediately

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I strongly dislked the Turk. And almost everyone I talked to felt the same way, he might have pitched good, and the hate might not have any reason but it seemed I'm not alone here. I found him very very annoying.

John Franco though, [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] , favorite Met ever.

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this is ridiculous. Wendell pitched well, and had heart

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loved wendell, for the record.

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loved wendell, for the record.

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thank you.

at least i know im not insane

the guy pitched great, showed emotion, and had heart
if our bullpen did those 3 things this year we are still playing

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plz to be cutting/trading/optioning/executing everyone on the team not named Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Maine or Perez, tyvm

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I liked Wendell too. Any guy who wears #99 because of a Rick "Wild Thing" Vaughan is okay in my book. Some of the other stuff he did was downright hilarious I thought. Plus he was a pretty good reliever for us while he was here.

Mel Rojas on the other hand....

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Decision Day for Glavine. Everything indicates he will decline his option. Back to Atlanta he goes, assuming they want him.

The Daily News is reporting that a team insider is saying that Rick Peterson (2 years left on his contract) is safe, but there will probably be some changes in the coaching staff.

Henderson I'm guessing?