When To Give Up?
 

What is a good deadline to either make it(it = a decent living) or give up. i've been playing for 3 years now. and although i no longer lose money, i dont realy make much either. is there a general timeline for if you haven't yet, you probably never will? what are your thoughts on this? how long did it take you?

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What stakes are you playing at, what's your bankroll, how much did you put in to begin with?

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You should def give up.

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first year and a half - 1500 or so

last year and a half + 1500 or so

used be be a gambler when i started but i've been studying and working hard since day one. now i wont take any -ev casino bet period. ocasionaly i play powerball. it's very hard for me to walk away from something i've spent so much time/blood/sweat/tears for. i was very intelegent in school and math. usualy one of the top scores in my schools for the standerdized testing. what i want to know is how long should i keep trying before i give it up? i've learned so much i'm getting much better at roll management. right now my roll is $100. i've turned $6 to $1100 before, cashed $400 and lost most of it back with horendous br management.

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also heck dead = not a gimmick account. someone froze/banned hick dead minutes after my op.

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also my game has improved leaps and bounds since i first started but i still cant support myself through poker.

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used be be a gambler

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ocasionaly i play powerball.

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You REALLY should give up. You'll be better off if you never play poker/gamble again.

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relax it's not a big deal i have a job and i spend $2-3 bucks a week.

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relax it's not a big deal i have a job and i spend $2-3 bucks a week.

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Research: gambling addiction. Seriously.

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you're a huge nit

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How are you up 1500 with a 100 dollar roll? Take that 100, start at NL5, and build up. If you lose it...there ya go.

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you're a huge nit

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Why do you say that?

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maybe u couldjust treat poker as a lucrative hobby
very very few can make it to play it as a living

for more info , i strongly advise u to buy this book ' The Poker Mindset '

good luck

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How are you up 1500 with a 100 dollar roll? Take that 100, start at NL5, and build up. If you lose it...there ya go.

[/ QUOTE ]$40 to $1200, cashout $700 + busto. and $6 to $1100, cashout $400 + busto except $100. + live + other small wins - small bustos

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sharkscope has me as a small winner, most of my wins are from cash games

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maybe u couldjust treat poker as a lucrative hobby
very very few can make it to play it as a living

for more info , i strongly advise u to buy this book ' The Poker Mindset '

good luck

[/ QUOTE ]but outside of poker it seems i have little chance of escaping poverty [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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I'd prolly give up on life tbh

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Just like me. I released long ago though I was never going to be a professional. I usually deposit 20 bucks a week and get up to 200-300 then lose it doing something stupid ($10 nl tables, which oddly have seen me get up to 1500 at times). I know its stupid but it gives me one hell of a rush and costs less then I spend on smokes a week so I can't complain.

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what games outside of poker can one make a living at?

arent you bucking house odds which are impossible to buck...lol.

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maybe u couldjust treat poker as a lucrative hobby
very very few can make it to play it as a living

for more info , i strongly advise u to buy this book ' The Poker Mindset '

good luck

[/ QUOTE ]but outside of poker it seems i have little chance of escaping poverty [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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Wow. You seriously think it seems like you have a chance of escaping poverty by playing poker? You need help.

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Just like me. I released long ago though I was never going to be a professional. I usually deposit 20 bucks a week and get up to 200-300 then lose it doing something stupid ($10 nl tables, which oddly have seen me get up to 1500 at times). I know its stupid but it gives me one hell of a rush and costs less then I spend on smokes a week so I can't complain.

[/ QUOTE ]i dont do that [censored]. i dont realy get a rush from poker anymore, it's mostly real boring now. i haven't deposited in about 5 months.

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I'd prolly give up on life tbh

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lol

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99% of the people that play dont work 1/10th as hard as i do or have the drive i do.there are plenty of live games i can beat. but i dont have a proper roll.

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The fact that you have won a lot cashed some out then lost the rest over a longer period of time doesn't mean your any different. If you don't get any sort of a rush when you win a nice pot and are bored you should give it a break for a few months. Play for fun and if you actually win constantly then consider pro, its not the other way around.

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99% of the people that play dont work 1/10th as hard as i do or have the drive i do.

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I hate to break it to you, but it takes more than that to succeed as a professional poker player.

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there are plenty of live games i can beat. but i dont have a proper roll.

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If you work so hard/have so much "drive", why not get a job? Then you'll have a roll and you can go play live.

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lol @ "99% of the people that play dont work 1/10th as hard as i do" - You work that hard, you haven't succeeded, and you don't think you should give up?

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i work harder than alex rodriguez and have a greater drive than he does...........lol.

but for some reason he better than i..........lol.

hard work and drive i think is overrated.

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i work harder than alex rodriguez and have a greater drive than he does...........lol.

but for some reason he better than i..........lol.

hard work and drive i think is overrated.

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lol yea.

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99% of the people that play dont work 1/10th as hard as i do or have the drive i do.

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I hate to break it to you, but it takes more than that to succeed as a professional poker player.

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there are plenty of live games i can beat. but i dont have a proper roll.

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If you work so hard/have so much "drive", why not get a job? Then you'll have a roll and you can go play live.

[/ QUOTE ]i have a job

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99% of the people that play dont work 1/10th as hard as i do or have the drive i do.

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I hate to break it to you, but it takes more than that to succeed as a professional poker player.

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there are plenty of live games i can beat. but i dont have a proper roll.

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If you work so hard/have so much "drive", why not get a job? Then you'll have a roll and you can go play live.

[/ QUOTE ]i have a job

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Get another one/work more. Then you'll have a roll. ?

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How about making a 3rd thread on this. Just word it slightly different yet again.

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Why don't you win?
How can you start winning?
What do winning players do that you dont?
Are you using software?

My guess is that you lack fundamentals. You are either too loose or too tight, too aggressive or too passive. Not value betting enough, calling down too much. Cold calling preflop too much.

When you play a hand you need to be thinking of how much money you are going to be making or losing on average.

Calling a raise preflop is probably going to be a leak unless you know how to play it postflop. Are you calling to hit a pair and call down against an aggressive opponent? Do you think your opponent has a big pocket pair and your'e trying to hit a huge flop and fold if you hit just 1 pair? Are you calling to make moves against a very predictable opponent?

You need to know why you are doing what you are doing. And not [censored] reasoning, only pure logic.

etc, etc,

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If you're smart and did well in school, why the hell is poker your only chance to escape poverty????

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First of all, you need to realize that there are far more losers than winners. And its possible that you can't beat the game, but I doubt it. You probably have leaks.

1. Buy pokertracker and PAHUD. Choose a site that offers the best combo of bonuses, rakeback,weak opposition and pokertracker compatibility.

2. get a bankroll of about 30 buyins for whatever level you are going to start at, and start at a level you both afford and have a reasonable liklihood of beating. I know you need 20, but the 10 is for pissing away on bad play.

3. Play only one table to begin. If you cannot beat a level single tabling it, you will be a multitabling disaster. After you gain confidence and can beat the game for more than 5ptbb/100, add tables as comfortable.

4. Constantly review your stats and hand histories. Compare you stats to those of other winning players, but realize that you can't copy someone else's game, but you can and must learn from others.

5. Adding tables and moving up limits is a hit or miss proposition based on your comfort levels and abilities.

The fact that you play powerball is irrelevant. Good luck.

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First of all, you need to realize that there are far more losers than winners. And its possible that you can't beat the game, but I doubt it. You probably have leaks.

1. Buy pokertracker and PAHUD. Choose a site that offers the best combo of bonuses, rakeback,weak opposition and pokertracker compatibility.

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Might also check out BonusWhores to maximize the bonus yield.

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i was very intelegent in school and math. usualy one of the top scores in my schools for the standerdized testing.

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I lol'ed at this line. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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The fact that you play powerball is irrelevant.

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No it's not. This guy has a gambling problem and shouldn't be playing poker (even if he could beat the game).

Do some research.

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does everyone who has ever bought a single powerball ticket have a gambling problem?
I'm too lazy to do the research and will let you answer for me.

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does everyone who has ever bought a single powerball ticket have a gambling problem?
I'm too lazy to do the research and will let you answer for me.

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No, but someone who knows they are -EV and buys them over and over again does. Maybe not a huge problem (yet), but certainly a problem.

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I think almost everyone who plays powerball has some awareness that they are -EV even if they aren't familiar with that term.
They buy them and say, "I know I'm never going to win this thing."

You seem to be saying that the only regular powerball ticket purchasers who do not have gambling problems are the ones who are too stupid to realize they are a bad bet.

You act like OP buys these all the time and can't help himself.
He says he plays powerball 'occasionally' when he said that he never gambles on -EV games anymore EXCEPT for that.

Spending $2-$3 a week on powerball tickets does not mean he has a gambling problem.

I don't normally play -EV games either and I hate the freaking lottery. But occasionally when my GF and I are at a casino we will play roulette or 3-card poker even though I know they are -EV because she likes playing those games.
FWIW, she understands they are negative expectation games as well.

Are we both gambling addicts? I guess we better seek help because we have lost way more than $2-$3 on those stupid games.