TT 3way action, turn decision
 

I'm pretty sure I don't like how I played this

Button is really bad, 69/3 over 80hands
SB is RyanCMU, he's doesn't like giving me credit on flops very often

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB ($37.15)
UTG ($106.70)
UTG+1 ($121.70)
Hero ($100)
MP2 ($97.25)
CO ($135.05)
Button ($125.50)
SB ($124.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls $4, SB calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($13) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, Button calls $10, SB calls $10.

Turn: ($43) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero

what is my plan here

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

B/F?!

I thought about it some more, and think this is best.

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

Does SB give credit to your 2nd barrell on this board? Would he bluff-raise turn?

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

b/f for 33 would be my line.

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

[ QUOTE ]
Does SB give credit to your 2nd barrell on this board? Would he bluff-raise turn?

[/ QUOTE ]

if it goes bet/call I doubt he ever bluffs, pot would be way too big, and protected(button likely never folds)

if it goes bet fold him, again its prob unlikely, given that I will have put in about half my stack, and get 3/1 on a call, I'd be amazed if he had a better 1pair hand than me here, as he's aggro and should be isolating the BTN, as my MP1 opening range is fairly wide. TT prob equals AA here

his flop range is prob something like 55, 66, 77, 88, 98s, 87s, T8s possibly 99 and 76s

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

You think BTN bets if checked too? 3 way with 10's in a pot with donk and solid player makes this a tough hand....

Think I may check and see what BTN does... BTN bets SB calls I will fold this.. BTN bets SB folds. I may call this... 50/50 for me...

But the range of the BTN can include a ton of 8's so....

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

BTN seemed fairly passive

I checked the turn, BTN checked

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, I check again [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], BTN checks

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

[ QUOTE ]
BTN seemed fairly passive

I checked the turn, BTN checked

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, I check again [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], BTN checks

[/ QUOTE ]

NIT! Although you explained ti yourself. AA has the relative hand strength of TT on the turn, and I'm ALWAYS taking button to valuetown.

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

I check the turn. I'd c/f if button bets and SB calls or raises. I might c/c if button bets and SB calls, but my plan would be to block the river a small enough amount that I could fold to a raise.

I think the objective should be to play the turn in such a way that you don't get pot-committed.

While is is possible that at least one of these two is on a straight draw of some kind, it is also likely that at least one has you beaten already. A backdoor flush draw is also possible, but less likely.

I'd try to get to a cheap river and hope the tens hold up.

I would not bet again since the pot is getting very big and just about any bet that gets called pretty much pot-commits us to see the river for most if not all of the rest of our stack.

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

[ QUOTE ]
I think the objective should be to play the turn in such a way that you don't get pot-committed.

[/ QUOTE ]
QFT. Good advice.

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
BTN seemed fairly passive

I checked the turn, BTN checked

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

SB checks, I check again [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img], BTN checks

[/ QUOTE ]

NIT! Although you explained ti yourself. AA has the relative hand strength of TT on the turn, and I'm ALWAYS taking button to valuetown.

[/ QUOTE ]

yeah

SB had 77 .. not sure how I feel about his flop play OOP
BTN had 22

I doubt SB puts anymore in, BTN likely calls a turn bet, and folds the river, but you never know with superloose guys

this hand was one where I checked too quick on the turn, instead of thinking the hand through, although given the combined ranges they have its prob not a massive mistake checking

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

hahaha ok ok, I've called a few of your flop cbets OOP... Its not like I never give you respect hahah...

My thought range in the hand was that... If I boost the flop on you, you will usually 3bet most over pairs on me here and that is gross for me. Also, its beyond you to 3bet a lot of hands I beat hahah. I thought that by just smooth calling the flop it will give me the best estimate of where I stand in the hand come the turn, even if a card like an A or K comes on the turn, I still think its a better line then putting in action on the flop against an agressive player like you, where its easy that I could have been pushed off a winner or be forced into a difficult turn situation HU with you if u just called my flop raise or donk.. Also, I felt it would be unlikely that you would ever double barrel w/ air any turn into that awful button and me in the sb, because my flop smooth call can look very suspicious. Honest to god if you bet the turn I was folding...

I think I could value town the river though, I have to think about paying it off before I fold and I think button looks you up every time assuming turn went check check and river you bet.

But, I really think you should have bet the turn, I'm not going to bluff c/r that often as you hand looks fairly strong if you bet this turn and usually if I do raise you here its a real hand, and I think button calls with such a huge range here that you are way ahead of that a bet on the turn is ok as long as your easily able to dump it to a raise from either player.

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

[ QUOTE ]
hahaha ok ok, I've called a few of your flop cbets OOP... Its not like I never give you respect hahah...


[/ QUOTE ]

it was mostly joking around, the time you c/c c/f I had a set and was thinking for a second that I had you in a setup again, my style tends to have trouble when people aren't giving me credit, the stars game plays weak/tight very frequently and often I get on a roll of just picking pot after pot up uncontested

I think you are one of the best players in the stars .5/1 game, I've just been on the good side of things lately, you do make me work harder than a lot of the regulars do

[ QUOTE ]
But, I really think you should have bet the turn, I'm not going to bluff c/r that often as you hand looks fairly strong if you bet this turn and usually if I do raise you here its a real hand, and I think button calls with such a huge range here that you are way ahead of that a bet on the turn is ok as long as your easily able to dump it to a raise from either player.


[/ QUOTE ]

yeah I agree with that

[ QUOTE ]
because my flop smooth call can look very suspicious

[/ QUOTE ]

this was part of the reason I froze up

[ QUOTE ]
because I felt it would be unlikely that you would ever double barrel w/ air any turn into that awful button and me in the sb

[/ QUOTE ]

maybe on a card that looks scary to you guys, but definitely not on a turn 3

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

Yea, I really think the turn is a tough spot for you to bet again w/ any holding...

I think you have to though just because of how awful button is, and like I said if he raises its an easy fold, and If i raise I still think its a fold, but not as clear cut.

So yea its a tough turn spot.

I think you should have fired the river though...A lot of worse hands you will get calls from there from button, and a bluff raise really wasn't in his arsenal hahah..

Haha, Yea i hate having you in my games and you always seem to get sat to my left too...

Re: TT 3way action, turn decision
 

Yea, I try and "float" a lot of the more agressive players a lot, however, most of them shutdown on the turn or just give up when someone calls thier flop bets, so pots are easy to take away on the turn...Your too good for that haha