donkin\' it up ? nice wrap + medium FD vs. set
 

Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with :qh :td :ts :9d
[color=#cc0000]Hero raises to $1</font>, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, BB calls.

Flop: :8d :js :6d ($3.25, 3 players)
BB checks, [color=#cc0000]Hero bets $3.25</font>, [color=#cc0000]UTG+1 raises to $13</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: [8d :js :6d ]:2h ($29.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, [color=#cc0000]UTG+1 bets $29.25</font>, Hero calls.

I'm pretty sure I've made 2 mistakes here (not jamming the flop and not folding turn) though I think the 3 basic scenarios I have in mind would have the same result: all the money going in.
I have played with Villain a few times and he seems pretty solid (PTO stats support this). I am pretty confident Villian has a set. I doubt he is playing NFD this strong.
My reasoning was that if he did have the NFD he might check the turn and I might get to see my safe river straight. If the flush comes of course I'm not sure where I'm at and I may have to check fold with my crappy flush (same problem whether I make the flush on turn or river?). When Villian jams the turn I'm convinced he has top set. I think a while about outs and odds and call. Wrap and FD too pretty to fold...
Was I commited once I called the raise on flop? Should I just jam the flop to make sure to get paid? Should I get away from the hand on the turn? In favor of folding the turn, I have a lot of second best draws and virtually no implied odds for a river bet since I only have $5 left (if I wiff do I save my last $5 with a pair of tens in an $80 pot? He has at least 2 pair if he thinks I have AAxx for some reason).
Someone just tell me I played it OK and to stop over thinking it...
Would appreciate any advice.
-WM

Re: donkin\' it up ? nice wrap + medium FD vs. set
 

Forgot to mention that part of the plan as played was to fold a turn bet if the board paired.
-WM

PS Can someone recommend a a better hand converter that can do PTO hand histories?

Re: donkin\' it up ? nice wrap + medium FD vs. set
 

You're up against JJ most likely. And he could very well have a (higher) flush draw or a straight draw to go with it.
I don't like the flop call. Either 3-bet max or fold. I'd say fold. You only have one strong draw and one weak draw.
You'll only be 100 % good if you hit your straight. And avoid a flush, paired board

Cliff notes: Fold to reraise on flop. Your hand isn't strong enough to continue.

As played, fold turn. You're roadkill in this spot.

Re: donkin\' it up ? nice wrap + medium FD vs. set
 

i agree with above. your draws here arent strong enough to commit this much money with. As said above your only 100% good if you hit your straight, and even if that does happen on the turn your opponent will always have many re-draws, either with a hand like 2 pair and bigger flush draw/sets...

Re: donkin\' it up ? nice wrap + medium FD vs. set
 

You are a favourite if he has top set without other draws. The worst scenario is he has top set with NFD, then you only have 32% equity.

Bare JJ:
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Js 8d 6d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ts Td 9d Qh 432 52.68 388 47.32 0 0.00 0.527
2c Jd Jh 3h 388 47.32 432 52.68 0 0.00 0.473

Top set + OESD:
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Js 8d 6d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ts Td 9d Qh 397 48.41 419 51.10 4 0.49 0.487
7s 9c Jd Jh 419 51.10 397 48.41 4 0.49 0.513

Top set + best OESD:
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Js 8d 6d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ts Td 9d Qh 297 36.22 421 51.34 102 12.44 0.424
9s Tc Jd Jh 421 51.34 297 36.22 102 12.44 0.576

Top set + nut flush draw:
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Js 8d 6d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ts Td 9d Qh 257 31.34 563 68.66 0 0.00 0.313
2c Ad Jd Jh 563 68.66 257 31.34 0 0.00 0.687

Re: donkin\' it up ? nice wrap + medium FD vs. set
 

Jam the flop, you're OOP and beating a lot. As played, just lead the turn for the full pot and call all-in.

Re: donkin\' it up ? nice wrap + medium FD vs. set
 

i think its a big mistake to peg villan on JJxx here, and for that reason i usually jam the pot on the flop, as he can just as likely have another set or 2 pair that he's willing to let go with excessive action.

You can never be a winning PLO player if you are always worried about top set or TTP w/NFD in these spots

Re: donkin\' it up ? nice wrap + medium FD vs. set
 

The better the opponent I'm up against, the more likely I am to 3-bet the flop, but against typical passive low-limit players, I don't think there's any point. They're going to have a made hand the vast majority of the time and they're never folding to a reraise, so you might as well save some money when the board pairs.

Obviously, folding at any point is ridiculous though and the nits who suggested it should learn how to play SnGs or something.

Re: donkin\' it up ? nice wrap + medium FD vs. set
 

I didn't see that this was 6-max. Disregard my first post.

Shove the flop.