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TheBad 09-01-2007 02:41 PM

Expensive KJ
 
Villain is unknown 35/4/2 after 25 hands.

PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (18 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (17 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

River: (21 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls, SB folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 23 BB

PF: Maybe a little bit on the loose side, i thought people would respect my raise a little bit more [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] I make it 4 because of the overcalls.

Flop: I like it. When he makes it 3, iīm concerned to be against AK or AA, but with the overcalls i decide to make it one more.

Turn+River: He keeps betting, but i made the pot so big i have to call. (Maybe i have some outs)

Just a little bit too aggressive ?

kerowo 09-01-2007 02:42 PM

Re: Expensive KJ
 
Wow.

Just wow.

What did you put him on when he kicked your ass on the flop?
And then on the turn?
And then on the river?

Xylocain 09-01-2007 02:45 PM

Re: Expensive KJ
 
PF is good
flop, just call down from the 3-bet. With a read you can fold the turn. [edit] or river.[/Edit]

the LRR is anything from AA to zomfg-how-dare-u-go-agressive-on-ma-when I limp 37s.

TheBad 09-01-2007 02:48 PM

Re: Expensive KJ
 
Yeah, i know things got out of control - but on the flop im still not convinced if he isnīt betting a flushdraw.

Fantam 09-01-2007 02:51 PM

Re: Expensive KJ
 
I would not have raised preflop.

LRR may just be because that player wanted to build a big pot, but sometimes it is AA or KK, and I would just have called the flop 3-bet.

I would probably have called the turn bet, but check/folded the river unimproved.

NIX 09-01-2007 02:51 PM

Re: Expensive KJ
 
Preflop, I just limp. If it were suited, I raise though

On the flop, there is no way I cap. You raised preflop and on the flop saying you have at least Kx. I would need a read to know that he 3-bets QQ or something here enough to cap, otherwise, this is looking a lot like AA/KK/AK with you being nice enough to help him collect money.

neurotiq 09-01-2007 05:15 PM

Re: Expensive KJ
 
I'm not raising preflop with KJ. It's a pretty marginal hand.

I like the flop raise to try to protect your hand and get it heads up. I wouldn't be capping here, though. Villain's 3bet is showing a lot of strength, so I just call down.

I like your turn and river.

F. McSimmons 09-01-2007 06:11 PM

Re: Expensive KJ
 
pf is meh... I prolly limp.

flop cap is nasty.. I actually think you can find a fold somewhere after the flop...

Fadook 09-01-2007 08:03 PM

Re: Expensive KJ
 
GRUNCH:
Just call preflop. KJo is definitely not strong enough to raise with the limpers already in.
I think I just call down from first flop bet. If UTG+1 isn't totally crazy, you're behind his entire range. The thing about LRRs from someone whom you don't have a solid read on is that you don't know what it represents. You're basically hoping that he's doing something stupid. Can we find a fold on that lousy river card though considering we're not closing the action?

Bulletproof Monk 09-02-2007 08:36 AM

Re: Expensive KJ
 
ridiculous


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