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AlexB182 11-27-2007 03:34 PM

NL100: Yet another \"Fold KK PF\" post
 
I know we are all a little sick of this kind of posts but I think this is really a tough spot.
BB is extremely fishy, 42/18/1 over 100 hands. Have him seen making really strange calls and bets. He donked flop after my PF raise one time on a low board and folded immediately to a raise. He had to rebuy already once.
CO is pretty decent, have him at 16/8/1.5 over 300 hands at NL100. I never before saw him minraising and I very very rarely (if at all) saw him pushing PF.
I'm running at 15/9 at this table so far.
All comments appreciated, except stuff like "effective stacks are only 125BB so shove all day" without further explanation...


Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: $100
UTG: $34.60
UTG+1: $80.10
UTG+2: $52.35
MP1: $95.50
Hero (MP2): $161
CO: $125.75
BTN: $93.65
SB: $242.10

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2)
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $1, MP1 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $10</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $9, UTG+2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $125.75 and is All-In</font>, BB folds, Hero?

AllTheCheese 11-27-2007 03:38 PM

Re: NL100: Yet another \"Fold KK PF\" post
 
Meh. I think the extra $25 makes me fold. He can even have AK sometimes here and it would still be a fold. For example,

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.235% 26.67% 05.56% 24664488 5140998.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 67.765% 62.21% 05.56% 57517932 5140998.00 { KK+, AKs }


Or even (Maybe, I haven't done all the math, I just know it's worse than 2:1)

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.999% 30.95% 05.05% 31800342 5184546.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 64.001% 58.95% 05.05% 60568806 5184546.00 { KK+, AKs, AcKd, AsKc

A_C_Slater 11-27-2007 03:40 PM

Re: NL100: Yet another \"Fold KK PF\" post
 
With 1.5 agression over 300 hands I think it's safe to say he has AA/KK only here.

RapidLearner 11-27-2007 03:49 PM

Re: NL100: Yet another \"Fold KK PF\" post
 
I would fold here pretty quickly.

SABR42 11-27-2007 03:50 PM

Re: NL100: Yet another \"Fold KK PF\" post
 
I'd probably make it $40 to go when it gets back to you.

LifeTilt 11-27-2007 04:01 PM

Re: NL100: Yet another \"Fold KK PF\" post
 
CO plays 16/7

AF by street - pre: .67, post: 6/2.5/3

Sample &gt; 1k

I fold here after seeing his 3-bet range to only include AA/KK.

However, we do have another Jamie Gold play nominee:


FullTiltPoker Game #4313626961: Table Anasazi - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 11:01:32 ET - 2007/11/27
Seat 1: Alabasam ($102.80)
Seat 2: Netgain24 ($34.60)
Seat 3: Soul Stone ($76.50)
Seat 4: bobbhy ($41.25)
Seat 5: MidniteBaseball ($94)
Seat 6: AlexB182 ($134.65)
Seat 7: The Fiscal ($167.25)
Seat 8: juicyjc ($93.65)
Seat 9: inane ($238.60)
AlexB182 posts the small blind of $0.50
The Fiscal posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
juicyjc folds
inane calls $1
AlexB182: when you feel like making moves and stuff
Alabasam raises to $4
Netgain24 folds
Soul Stone folds
bobbhy folds
MidniteBaseball folds
AlexB182 folds
The Fiscal raises to $13.50
inane folds
Alabasam calls $9.50
*** FLOP *** [6c 9d 8h]
The Fiscal: AA this time
The Fiscal has 15 seconds left to act
Alabasam: yeah right
The Fiscal bets $24
AlexB182: ok ty
Alabasam has 15 seconds left to act
Alabasam raises to $89.30, and is all in
The Fiscal calls $65.30
Alabasam shows [9s 7h]
The Fiscal shows [As Ah]
*** TURN *** [6c 9d 8h] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [6c 9d 8h Kh] [9c]
Alabasam shows three of a kind, Nines
The Fiscal shows two pair, Aces and Nines
Alabasam wins the pot ($204.10) with three of a kind, Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $207.10 | Rake $3
Board: [6c 9d 8h Kh 9c]
Seat 1: Alabasam showed [9s 7h] and won ($204.10) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 2: Netgain24 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: Soul Stone didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: bobbhy didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: MidniteBaseball (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: AlexB182 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: The Fiscal (big blind) showed [As Ah] and lost with two pair, Aces and Nines
Seat 8: juicyjc didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: inane folded before the Flop

AlexB182 11-27-2007 04:06 PM

Re: NL100: Yet another \"Fold KK PF\" post
 
Worst thing is: it's not even that wrong on this board...

9,917,806 games 6.016 secs 1,648,571 games/sec

Board: 6c 9d 8h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.846% 45.19% 01.23% 4481773 121576.50 { 9s7h }
Hand 1: 54.154% 53.60% 01.23% 5315898 121576.50 { AhAs }

LifeTilt were you sitting at that table? wtf...

AlexB182 11-27-2007 04:07 PM

Re: NL100: Yet another \"Fold KK PF\" post
 
SABR, why is 40 better here? I was pretty sure that I'd have to fold in case he shoves and get it in on a non A board in case he just calls...

LifeTilt 11-27-2007 04:13 PM

Re: NL100: Yet another \"Fold KK PF\" post
 
No, I was mining. And I wasn't saying the play was bad or anything, just that The Fiscal says "AA this time" and actually does, but gets pwned. LOL

AlexB182 11-27-2007 04:17 PM

Re: NL100: Yet another \"Fold KK PF\" post
 
Lol, yeah that was good fun, though Alabasam's raise with 97os in EP is kind of funky too...

Edit: Damn it, I'm hijacking my own thread!Back to business now...






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