5/10 FTP: 4 Bet Pot, (Easy?) Flop Decision
 

There might be an obvious answer to this one, but I just want to make sure..

This was a hand from an FTP 5/10 session. I'm running at about 17/15. Villain in the hand is SILLYGOOSER, who plays about 17/15 as well, and can mix it up both pre and post flop. I don't think there are any specific reads from our history that can help with this decision.

OK, so he three bets me pre when I pick up KK, and I choose to four bet him small, hoping to induce a shove from a wide-ish range. I can make this same 4 bet with suited connectors, etc. First, do you like this 4bet size?

The flop comes pretty ugly for my hand and I check. Anyone strongly prefer a bet?

Finally, when he shoves is it a call or a fold? What hand range do you put him on to justify your decision?

Thanks!


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($1683.50)
Hero ($1015)
MP ($1044)
Button ($1008.25)
SB ($1064)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $35</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $120</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $300</font>, Button calls $180.

Flop: ($650) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $708.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero ???

Re: 5/10 FTP: 4 Bet Pot, (Easy?) Flop Decision
 

you're probably beat but call
preflop I'd make it slightly bigger since you're oop. 300 is fine if you're in position though

Re: 5/10 FTP: 4 Bet Pot, (Easy?) Flop Decision
 

bet&gt;cc,

i'd rais a lil more preflop, but its not horrible.

btw, u cannot fold KK in a 4 bet pot 100bb deep. without an ace on the flop

Re: 5/10 FTP: 4 Bet Pot, (Easy?) Flop Decision
 

Well if he only shoves sets, AA KK QQ and AK spades its still a close call so... call.

Bet might be better though

Re: 5/10 FTP: 4 Bet Pot, (Easy?) Flop Decision
 

I'm not a fan of 4-betting preflop. I think it gives away your hand strength too much.. you're pretty tight.

Calling would look strong too but he could put you on a larger range of pairs.

I don't know what he has that can call a push other than QQ but I can't really see folding this kind of flop.

Re: 5/10 FTP: 4 Bet Pot, (Easy?) Flop Decision
 

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I'm not a fan of 4-betting preflop. I think it gives away your hand strength too much.. you're pretty tight.

Calling would look strong too but he could put you on a larger range of pairs.


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For me 4 betting can be done with a wider range in this spot than calling. I just do not call 3bets with a wide range OOP and have a fairly balanced 4betting range here.

Re: 5/10 FTP: 4 Bet Pot, (Easy?) Flop Decision
 

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bet&gt;cc,



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Can you guys explain why you feel this is the case? I'm not convinced that it is...

Re: 5/10 FTP: 4 Bet Pot, (Easy?) Flop Decision
 

I think c/c is a much higher ev play than betting

Re: 5/10 FTP: 4 Bet Pot, (Easy?) Flop Decision
 

check/call is good because they always shoves AK here.

Re: 5/10 FTP: 4 Bet Pot, (Easy?) Flop Decision
 

Call and hope a Q doesn't come...