Re: like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK
 

keyser, checking should only be done with the intention of folding, which I don't like :/. Much rather b/c, b/f or shove

Re: like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK
 

dont think there's much value here. if he doesn't have us beat the ks is about as scary as it gets for him.

Re: like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK
 

maybe i'm dumb, but i would bet more on the turn and either b/c or shove river. 20 hands means almost nothing, but KKK means a lot. wtf.

Re: like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK
 

Shove river (PSB) imo, 20 hands != read on agression.
+ get ready to type "blacks pwn KKK"

Re: like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK
 

c/c river has got to be bad here, he checks behind a ton of hands that you beat which he could call with

Re: like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK
 

Lol at folding.

I bet 22 on the turn. Sets up for a nice river shove.

People will slowplay sets and whatever here.

Sure he is gonna show up with a flush sometimes. But people suck, so i never fold.

Re: like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK
 

holy [censored] i thought I was obviously joking. bet and call wtf.

Re: like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK
 

bet more everywhere and shove river

Re: like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK
 

this spot sucks. his calling range on the river is obviously much larger than his betting range on the river. So we lose value when we miss a bet, and it's -EV to get stacked all day. I hate check-call, unless villain is capable of turning a small pair into a bluff.

Damn, it might be a check-fold. Even if he shoves, we only have to be good here 33% of the time. However, I never see him betting with worse enough even if he turns some hands into a bluff (like 45s).

Therefore, could pushing be correct? Does the Villain ever slow play 78 on the turn? And even if he does, does he call a river push? The board just gets worse and worse for one pair hands that he could possibly have. Meh, I don't really feel like breaking down his range.

I guess I'm sticking with check-fold. I just don't think he's calling with a worse hand more than 50% of the time.

Re: like i said in previous post, i dont fold KK
 

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lol I really hope some leveling is going on here.

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Is that aimed at me?

I was serious! Are you in the shoving camp?

The K is such a horrible card because it makes our hand look so much better but it really doesn't change a lot. If villian had a set he is raising flop or turn 90% of the time, same with 2pr. He's played this so so much like a FD that getting to SD cheap as possible has to be the best move. How often do you see a 0AF guy shove? Super rare, we all know the minraise is the king of all moves so bet $5, let him minraise or get trixy and make it $15 so we can get to SD cheap.

Am I being a total retard here?

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It was aimed partly at you and some of the other posters.

I won't call anyone a retard, but I do believe you are wrong [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The reason is that you don't know yet that villain shoves at the moment when you make your river decision, so you cannot base your action on that.

And if you somehow still think you are very much behind to his range, then c/f is still better than c/c, although I don't consider c/f a real option here. Who knows what the guy is slowplaying, he might even have a set. Villains do stupid things. I'm comfortable shoving it on the river, and file it under the coolers if he has a flush.