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Bakes 11-27-2007 10:34 PM

Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 
Stars 1k, we don't have much history.

Poker Stars, $1,000 + $50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 50/100 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

CO: 2,100
BTN: 1,630
SB: 4,463
BB: 6,425
UTG: 4,262
UTG+1: 8,303
Hero (UTG+2): 4,400
MP1: 5,928
MP2: 3,607

Pre-Flop: (150) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+2)
UTG folds, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to 303</font>, Hero calls 303, 6 folds

Flop: (756) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: (756) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG+1 bets 300</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to 1,150</font>, UTG+1 calls 850

River: (3,056) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG+1 checks, <font color="red">Hero bets 2,947 and is All-In</font>

hartwith 11-27-2007 10:55 PM

Re: Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 
I like this line a lot if it doesnt come a heart river. Because now you are representing a full house exactly. Correct me if I'm wrong but do you push this river with a bare 8? Im certainly not pushing it with a decent K and not sure I like a push here with KJ either.

Am I the only 1 who prefers a bet of about 14-1500 here? Either way, its a tough river to continue on I think.

d2themfi 11-27-2007 11:12 PM

Re: Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 
Preflop is kinda marginal imo. It also seems ur line is repping a very narrow range of hands too

ZJ123 11-27-2007 11:33 PM

Re: Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 
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I like this line a lot if it doesnt come a heart river. Because now you are representing a full house exactly. Correct me if I'm wrong but do you push this river with a bare 8? Im certainly not pushing it with a decent K and not sure I like a push here with KJ either.

Am I the only 1 who prefers a bet of about 14-1500 here? Either way, its a tough river to continue on I think.

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hes def pushing an 8

d2themfi 11-28-2007 12:19 AM

Re: Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 
he would def push an 8 thats a no brainer, but what hands is he CC preflop that have an 8 in them and then take this line, 88 is the only hand. I feel like hero is repping 88, JJ, AQhh and thats it, it could still get villain to fold, I just think it is very marginal

eBo 11-28-2007 12:38 AM

Re: Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 
If I'm Kenny, I'm looking at my AK and thinking wtf?

hartwith 11-28-2007 12:50 AM

Re: Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 
The problem is preflop, having called a raise from UTG+1 in UTG+2, original raiser can basically discredit any chance of you having 8. You're not calling a raise pre here with any hand containing an 8 other than 88.

Secondly, its v unlikely you smooth called in such early pos with KK. JJ is more plausible. KJ v unlikely.

My point being, on this turn, there are basically only 2 hands you are representing. AK and JJ. So when it comes to the river and you push, although Ak is still in your range here, your range has basically been reduced to one hand, JJ (dont get me wrong, there is certainly still value in AK push here I feel).

If Kenny Rap is any good Im sure he calls you down pretty light here.

curtains 11-28-2007 12:57 AM

Re: Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 
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The problem is preflop, having called a raise from UTG+1 in UTG+2, original raiser can basically discredit any chance of you having 8. You're not calling a raise pre here with any hand containing an 8 other than 88.

Secondly, its v unlikely you smooth called in such early pos with KK. JJ is more plausible. KJ v unlikely.

My point being, on this turn, there are basically only 2 hands you are representing. AK and JJ. So when it comes to the river and you push, although Ak is still in your range here, your range has basically been reduced to one hand, JJ (dont get me wrong, there is certainly still value in AK push here I feel).

If Kenny Rap is any good Im sure he calls you down pretty light here.

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Agreed, villains play is a bit illogical with most hands and the hand range he is representing is a bit too narrow.

I would almost never call on the turn and check fold the river here.

Eagles 11-28-2007 03:24 AM

Re: Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 
The turn raise is all kinds of terrible once you get to the river its a good shove.

apestyles 11-28-2007 03:42 AM

Re: Turning a made hand into a bluff vs Kenny Rap
 
didnt read post but i dont rly bluff kenny rap v much.


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