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Merlinius 11-26-2007 01:23 PM

QQ overpair, 3b pot, J hi flop
 
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00/$2.00

MP3 ($255.95) 23/14/8.0/33/57 hände
CO ($200.00) (Hero)
Button ($274.05)
SB ($200.00)
BB ($200.00)
MP2 ($319.20)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to 8.0</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to 27.0</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $19.00,

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $57 )
MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $40.00</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to 110.0</font>, Hero?

cheer 11-26-2007 01:26 PM

Re: QQ overpair, 3b pot, J hi flop
 
fold

spivey 11-26-2007 01:29 PM

Re: QQ overpair, 3b pot, J hi flop
 
I think the idea of 'never fold an overpair to a TAG in a reraised pot' is pretty much always good (at least with an image of ~21/18/4 like mine is).

Bramsterdam 11-26-2007 01:29 PM

Re: QQ overpair, 3b pot, J hi flop
 
Fold.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

22,770 games 0.005 secs 4,554,000 games/sec

Board: 9d 6h Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.183% 30.01% 02.17% 6833 495.00 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 67.817% 65.64% 02.17% 14947 495.00 { JJ+, AKs, AJs }

HoldEmNewby 11-26-2007 03:01 PM

Re: QQ overpair, 3b pot, J hi flop
 
[ QUOTE ]
I think the idea of 'never fold an overpair to a TAG in a reraised pot' is pretty much always good (at least with an image of ~21/18/4 like mine is).

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't know if its right but i usually stick to that policy

Suigin406 11-26-2007 03:04 PM

Re: QQ overpair, 3b pot, J hi flop
 
high aggro, but fold

chiTown22 11-26-2007 03:18 PM

Re: QQ overpair, 3b pot, J hi flop
 
[ QUOTE ]
Fold.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

22,770 games 0.005 secs 4,554,000 games/sec

Board: 9d 6h Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.183% 30.01% 02.17% 6833 495.00 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 67.817% 65.64% 02.17% 14947 495.00 { JJ+, AKs, AJs }

[/ QUOTE ]
With this equity wouldn't it be a shove? Cost us ~130 to win a $400 pot if he calls.

Nick Royale 11-26-2007 03:29 PM

Re: QQ overpair, 3b pot, J hi flop
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Fold.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

22,770 games 0.005 secs 4,554,000 games/sec

Board: 9d 6h Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 32.183% 30.01% 02.17% 6833 495.00 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 67.817% 65.64% 02.17% 14947 495.00 { JJ+, AKs, AJs }

[/ QUOTE ]
With this equity wouldn't it be a shove? Cost us ~130 to win a $400 pot if he calls.

[/ QUOTE ]
No, because 130/400 &gt; 0.321.

Also it's 133.

sh58 11-26-2007 04:07 PM

Re: QQ overpair, 3b pot, J hi flop
 
i'm shoving this. his range is wider than the above stove imo

Merlinius 11-26-2007 04:11 PM

Re: QQ overpair, 3b pot, J hi flop
 
While playing the hand, i somehow "had to" shove. after the hand i did the exact same pokerstove calculation as Bramsterdam did and was wondering whether it was a pure tiltshove. I'm not sure whether the above range is even too wide because many villains would not shove AK in this spot, not even 1/4 of the time.

That's why I wanted your opinion on this. I usually mainly sticked to the "never fold an overpair to a TAG in a 3bet pot" policy but after analyzing the hand, I was uncertain whether it's really good to apply it here.


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