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geo8o2 11-22-2007 05:08 PM

3/6pl fullhouse on the river, just call? or even fold?
 
on the flop i just called. wanting the original raiser to raise, and then i could reraise. how's the river call? no reads.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($137)
BB ($597)
UTG ($546.25)
UTG+1 ($183.80)
Hero ($669.40)
MP2 ($521.15)
CO ($718.70)
Button ($588)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...miles/club.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...es/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $6, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Hero calls $6, [color=#CC3333]MP2 raises to $18</font>, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Button calls $18, [color=#666666]2 folds</font>, UTG calls $12, Hero calls $12.

Flop: ($81) 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]UTG bets $18</font>, Hero calls $18, MP2 calls $18, Button folds.

Turn: ($135) Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]UTG bets $48</font>, Hero calls $48, [color=#CC3333]MP2 raises to $102</font>, UTG calls $54, Hero calls $54.

River: ($441) Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...iles/spade.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]UTG bets $240</font>, Hero calls $240, MP2 calls $240.

Final Pot: $1161

I-Love-Poker 11-22-2007 05:10 PM

Re: 3/6pl fullhouse on the river, just call? or even fold?
 
Fix your converter please.


But w/ an UTG raise, the only thing I think that he can have that would beat u is QQ. So I am raising here.

geo8o2 11-22-2007 05:51 PM

Re: 3/6pl fullhouse on the river, just call? or even fold?
 
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Fix your converter please.


But w/ an UTG raise, the only thing I think that he can have that would beat u is QQ. So I am raising here.

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utg isn't the player who raised.

tuckercat 11-22-2007 06:22 PM

Re: 3/6pl fullhouse on the river, just call? or even fold?
 
calling here is terrible imo. the river is an absolute money card for you. raise, and get value out of the ton of other worse hands out there that call. shover river all day here.

jj12 11-22-2007 07:26 PM

Re: 3/6pl fullhouse on the river, just call? or even fold?
 
u need to raise flop. I don't mind the river since it is v likely UTG has QJ. You figure to get and overcall from MP2's flush.

JSmith2007 11-22-2007 07:31 PM

Re: 3/6pl fullhouse on the river, just call? or even fold?
 
Wow, you called that river? That is the perfect card for you to raise and be extremely happy about it. You're going to get paid off here by AJ and AQ quite often, as well as any king or ace of spades.. QJ is a very marginal hand to put an UTG limper and then caller to a raise with. Against an unknown, that's not really a hand I'd put him on.

Flop and turn is ok, raise raise raise the river.

geo8o2 11-22-2007 09:55 PM

Re: 3/6pl fullhouse on the river, just call? or even fold?
 
doesn't utg here have a fullhouse almost all of the time? when he donks out that big on that river? note he just called on the turn. i almost folded since i have the worst fullhouse possible, not to mention the straight flush possibility.

i think some of you are missing how large the river bet is. you guys really bet like that with AJ or the A of spades? maybe i'm missing something?

also, is any1 afraid that mp2 has QQ even 20% of the time? he obv didn't, now that i see he just called, but he could have...

jj12 11-22-2007 09:58 PM

Re: 3/6pl fullhouse on the river, just call? or even fold?
 
god this is fr and it is ridic nitty.

tuckercat 11-22-2007 10:22 PM

Re: 3/6pl fullhouse on the river, just call? or even fold?
 
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doesn't utg here have a fullhouse almost all of the time? when he donks out that big on that river? note he just called on the turn. i almost folded since i have the worst fullhouse possible, not to mention the straight flush possibility.

i think some of you are missing how large the river bet is. you guys really bet like that with AJ or the A of spades? maybe i'm missing something?

also, is any1 afraid that mp2 has QQ even 20% of the time? he obv didn't, now that i see he just called, but he could have...

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maybe these stakes are a little too high for you

geo8o2 11-23-2007 12:22 AM

Re: 3/6pl fullhouse on the river, just call? or even fold?
 
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maybe these stakes are a little too high for you

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thanks for the helpful advice and your contribution to this forum.

utg turned over QJ, and mp2 had 10sKs. maybe i'm being results oriented? i don't know, i still think a river raise is worst than calling. anyone agree? or does every1 raise the river?


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