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bussolini 11-11-2007 05:16 PM

TOUGH SPOT(S)-NL50: how to play AA vs 400BB-deep super donk-aggro
 
Here 1 hand that happened only like short before the AA hand:

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $248.90
BTN: $42.25
SB: $29.50
BB: $12.75
UTG: $12.45
Hero (MP): $127.95

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.50</font>, CO calls $2.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($6.25) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $10.50</font>, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($27.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($27.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $34</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $72.50</font>, CO calls $38.50

Results: $172.25 Pot ($3 Rake)
CO showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Sixes) and LOST (-$85.50 NET)
Hero showed T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a flush, Ace high) and WON $169.25 (+$83.75 NET)


Guy is so super aggro donkish, hits everything and has no clue.
Best after that hand was the chat:
Villain:vnh
Hero: Thx, hard for you to hit the set on river.
Villain: I know, and i was commited.

Is that great stuff? Gotta post that in BBV but only 2 orbits later comes that hand:
Over 100 hands Villains stats are 62/27/4.

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $229.30
BTN: $42.75
SB: $23
BB: $50
Hero (UTG): $214.85

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO calls $2, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $11</font>, Hero calls $8

Turn: ($26.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $18</font>, Hero calls $18

River: ($62.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $33.50</font>, Hero calls $33.50

Here is the thing:
I know i played that super passively, but Villain is going for stacks with bottom pair. Heīs not afraid of losing a 900BB-pot with any 2 cards. I know it sounds ridiculous, but he seriously made his way to more than 200$ with sucking out. That means he can hold any 2 cards. Ive seen him playing top set and bottom pair the same way, with that reraise on flop, bet on turn and so on.

Are we really willing to play for an almost 900BB-Pot on flop with only 1 Pair?
Who likes my line? Whoīs gonna raise? He would reraise it, maybe allin, i guarantee that.
I hated that hand...Donīt wanna show how it ended up, but that spot suuuucked so badly.
I need advice here.

Lego05 11-11-2007 05:24 PM

Re: TOUGH SPOT(S)-NL50: how to play AA vs 400BB-deep super donk-aggro
 
I think this is fine.

subs 11-11-2007 05:25 PM

Re: TOUGH SPOT(S)-NL50: how to play AA vs 400BB-deep super donk-aggro
 
im fine with it... but id still probably 3bet the flop

HarryPoker 11-11-2007 05:28 PM

Re: TOUGH SPOT(S)-NL50: how to play AA vs 400BB-deep super donk-aggro
 
Against that kind of donkey and according to what happened just before, I think it's fine.

thac 11-11-2007 05:28 PM

Re: TOUGH SPOT(S)-NL50: how to play AA vs 400BB-deep super donk-aggro
 
He raised the flop with black 66 in your first hand and now all of a sudden you think he's not gonna stack off a bit lightly? He overvalues his hands (see set on 4-flush board), and he doesn't fold. I'd raise the turn almost always and if he 3-bets us I'd definitely call.

Profish2285 11-11-2007 05:29 PM

Re: TOUGH SPOT(S)-NL50: how to play AA vs 400BB-deep super donk-aggro
 
This is why I get up once I get past 200 bb's unless the table is really really juicy. I am just uncomfortable playing with this many blinds and cant adjust well yet. I think I play it the same way as you just because if I lose 400 bb's with aces I will need to take a week off from poker.

billip62 11-11-2007 06:03 PM

Re: TOUGH SPOT(S)-NL50: how to play AA vs 400BB-deep super donk-aggro
 
I agree with Profish, this is a tough spot and honestly, I'm feeling really grim with AA in that size pot. I'd try and get the money in sooner just to take some of the pressure off. 3 bet the flop for sure, all in on the turn. if he has a set so be it given his previous plays.

takingcontrol 11-11-2007 06:08 PM

Re: TOUGH SPOT(S)-NL50: how to play AA vs 400BB-deep super donk-aggro
 
When I play deep I usually pay more attention to how my opponent is adjusting to deep play.
What kind of mistakes is he making and how far he'll go with what sort of hand strength gives me a good idea of which hands to felt with him in which situations.

second hand i'm nearly always 3pumping it on the flop, if not the turn.
also if villain's stacking off with bottom pair then i'm defo getting it all in asap.

Waingro 11-11-2007 06:13 PM

Re: TOUGH SPOT(S)-NL50: how to play AA vs 400BB-deep super donk-aggro
 
In this kind of spot it really helps to have a plan before you bet the flop. Is he going to play a 900 bb pot with a hand worse than yours? If yes, then make up your mind and then stick to your plan and donīt chicken out and fold somewhere. If you are not sure if you are going to be ahead if all the money goes in even vs this guy, your line is fine. But it seems like you left a little money on the table.

pokerplaya5 11-11-2007 07:31 PM

Re: TOUGH SPOT(S)-NL50: how to play AA vs 400BB-deep super donk-aggro
 
I think that you played it fine. He seems like that type of player to make this play with a hand like K 10, but he could also have like 10 8, so there is no need to go broke with AA here.


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