King King semi deep tricky preflop spot, whats best plan?
 

villain is 17/14/3.44 over 150 hands with his preflop aggr factor of 3.14
What is the optimal way to play KK this deep, and how do we
stack off preflop on a Ace high board?
Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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CO: $104.35
BTN: $195.85
Hero (SB): $317.30
BB: $92.40
UTG: $185.30

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $13</font>, BB folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $45</font>, <font color="red">Hero??

Re: King King semi deep tricky preflop spot, whats best plan?
 

ALLLLLLLL IN

Re: King King semi deep tricky preflop spot, whats best plan?
 

lol a little more than min 5bet...

or push

w/e

Re: King King semi deep tricky preflop spot, whats best plan?
 

i really prefer calling and ch/rai on non-A flops. he wont bet QQ on an A-high flop, and he wont call a shove this deep with AK preflop.

but honestly, it doesnt matter all that much in the long run

Re: King King semi deep tricky preflop spot, whats best plan?
 

call and see the flop.

Re: King King semi deep tricky preflop spot, whats best plan?
 

i don't get why people wanna see flop and try and get it all in on non A flops??? what if its 3 4 8....then you guys gonna get it all in with AA vs KK anyways.....

Re: King King semi deep tricky preflop spot, whats best plan?
 

I feel as though im shadowing orange in the last 5 threads ive replied too, but I agree with the man in green here. He can more than likely get away from AK and QQ preflop if you shove so that really doesnt make much sense.

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i don't get why people wanna see flop and try and get it all in on non A flops??? what if its 3 4 8....then you guys gonna get it all in with AA vs KK anyways.....

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because if you call and get a good flop he mightstack offwith JJ/QQ, and you might get a c-bet out of AK, whereas if you shove PF any sane villain is autofolding everything other than QQ+, and some gusy ieven muck QQ.
And youre getting it in vs AA regardless

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i don't get why people wanna see flop and try and get it all in on non A flops??? what if its 3 4 8....then you guys gonna get it all in with AA vs KK anyways.....

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because if you call and get a good flop he mightstack offwith JJ/QQ, and you might get a c-bet out of AK, whereas if you shove PF any sane villain is autofolding everything other than QQ+, and some gusy ieven muck QQ.
And youre getting it in vs AA regardless

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Isn't 4betting QQ-JJ, AK here with the intention of folding pretty bad in the first place? Maybe that changes this deep but I dont think i would ever do that as villain.

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i didnt say it was neccessarily a good play to 4-bet/fold, but plenty of tagfish do it all the time. 200'bbs deep i dont think its all THAT bad tbh