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hennnerz 11-06-2007 12:14 AM

FTP NL25 - AT flops TPTK but facing aggro on river
 
Over 122 hands villain runs 45/9/1.64. Hasn't been too noticeable at the table, then again I am not great at noticing things...

We played one hands together previously:

UTG: $37.40
Hero: $25
SB: $13.15
BB: $23.50

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($2.1, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $1.5</font>, BB calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($5.1, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $5.1</font>, BB calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($15.3, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $15.3 He had KT.

I am playing like 33/30/3 at this table over 150 hands or so. I am multitabling, but I doubt he knows that.

Here is the hand:

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
3 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $30.95
SB: $27.60
BB: $37.35

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1</font>, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($2.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $2.25</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $6</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($14.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($14.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $14.25</font>, Hero....?

DarkMagus 11-06-2007 12:35 AM

Re: FTP NL25 - AT flops TPTK but facing aggro on river
 
No draws on flop, I'm not really sure what he could have. This villian looks pretty capable of calling you with A4 or 45,43 preflop, as well as calling with any pair or ace high on the flop. I'd probably fold because I just can't think of what hand he would bluff with here.

Also I'm not really sure I like the flop raise. I'd rather call for pot control.

Hail Eris 11-06-2007 12:36 AM

Re: FTP NL25 - AT flops TPTK but facing aggro on river
 
[ QUOTE ]
I am playing like 33/30/3 at this table over 150 hands or so. I am multitabling, but I doubt he knows that.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't know why you check this turn when you're playing so aggro and he probably calls you down with like A high.

River is meh. On Stars I'd expect to see OP/55/66/4x here a lot, but maybe he's just a pot masher and mashes pot with any Ten because that's what he does.

I've been experimenting with playing LAG at 50NL and I don't think I could ever fold this if I was running 33/30/3, took a pot control line on the turn, and got to the river at like the top of my range.

hennnerz 11-06-2007 10:21 AM

Re: FTP NL25 - AT flops TPTK but facing aggro on river
 
So one person says control the pot on the flop, the other says get as much money into the pot as possible, interesting.

Thanks for the responses so far guys, anyone else got an opinion?

Prac 11-06-2007 10:39 AM

Re: FTP NL25 - AT flops TPTK but facing aggro on river
 
id fold here, ur playing v aggr so he could b calling s 1-gappers. the line he chooses looks alot like an a4,64,34, 45 kind of hand.

flop he didnt shove here. So that tells me hes not protecting Tx here.
Check turn to let u fire again and to commit u.
River u didnt fire turn and he wants value u from his hand.

So id fold.

hennnerz 11-06-2007 11:19 AM

Re: FTP NL25 - AT flops TPTK but facing aggro on river
 
[ QUOTE ]
flop he didnt shove here. So that tells me hes not protecting Tx here.
Check turn to let u fire again and to commit u.
River u didnt fire turn and he wants value u from his hand.

So id fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

Nice.

No-one got his hand spot on. But does indeed look like fold is correct play here. Ty

bozzer 11-06-2007 11:52 AM

Re: FTP NL25 - AT flops TPTK but facing aggro on river
 
wow hate yr flop raise. don't auto raise donkbets, especially pot ones! fold river, looks like he was hoping you'd keep betting. betting turn smallish for value + stopping him doing this on river works too.

Profish2285 11-06-2007 12:47 PM

Re: FTP NL25 - AT flops TPTK but facing aggro on river
 
On this board I just call him down. The board is so dry and he is repping strength by leading into you with a psb. Im unsure of river because your turn check could have induced this with random tens.

Hail Eris 11-06-2007 02:16 PM

Re: FTP NL25 - AT flops TPTK but facing aggro on river
 
People obviously completely underestimate quite how bad the table can play against you when you have a lagtard image. It's very easy to stack worse in this hand. Also, since when does leading pot into a lagtard on a dry board rep strength?

Imo, the only question in this hand is his river bet sizing, which I can't really interpret since I don't play on FT.

wslee00 11-06-2007 03:26 PM

Re: FTP NL25 - AT flops TPTK but facing aggro on river
 
gotta bet that turn (something like $10). He could totally have a weaker T here. If he check-raises, you can comfortably fold, if not, I push the river.


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