Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
 

This is probably super easy, but I haven't played limit or live in forever.

Canterbury 4/8. Villian is a dealer. I've never played with him but when he deals he seems crabby. He sat down about an orbit ago.

1 limper, villian limps, I raise K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the button, both call.

Flop: 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

2 checks, I bet, fold, call.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Check, bet, check-raise.

My plan?

Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
 

3 bet or call down but never fold.

I should specify:

3 bet if you think villain is likely to check raise the turn with just a Q. if not, call down.

Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
 

I call down.

Against a typical 4/8 player you are usually behind here, but the possibility that you are not + that you have lots of outs against a two pair merits calling down IMO.

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I was def not folding. Wondering if I should get a raise in or call down.

Seems like I'm behind more often than (I'm ahead and he calls a raise and river bet.)

Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
 

I agree with others, you are probably behind here to two pair, but you have outs, so call down. It is possible he put you on AK from your raise, and is betting just one pair.

Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
 

Call down. You're behind a good chunk of the time, but you have outs against 2 pair combined with the times that you are ahead means you need to go to showdown.

3-betting isn't good. It doesn't give us the chance to draw to our outs or see showdown for the same price as just calling down. Even if villain is ridiculously aggressive, it's better to wait for the river to raise because it's less likely we get reraised. However, we're not ahead 50% of the time here, so just call down. Raise a K, 6, 4 river. Fold if you're reraised on the 6 and 4.

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This is probably super easy, but I haven't played limit or live in forever.

Canterbury 4/8. Villian is a dealer. I've never played with him but when he deals he seems crabby. He sat down about an orbit ago.

1 limper, villian limps, I raise K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on the button, both call.

Flop: 10[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

2 checks, I bet, fold, call.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Check, bet, check-raise.

My plan?

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which dealer might make a difference. call the turn and bang a 4 on the river to counterfeit his QT.

Re: Live 4/8: Overpair Gets Turn CR\'d
 

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3 bet

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incorrect.

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3 bet

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incorrect.

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I would just call this down on intuition, I guess. However, I'm not sure exactly why. Is it because of the lack of draws, thus making a semi-bluff c/r less likely? Suppose he limped KQ or Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], would he be correct in c/r-ing these hands on the turn? I think so, right? Should he also fold to a 3-bet if he does? If so, I understand a 3-bet is bad. What if he doesn't fold to a 3-bet? Don't we 3-bet then because we can't fold to a cap, since we have outs? So, basically, what it comes down to is that when we are behind we want to get to showdown cheap, and when we are ahead we want him to keep betting and not fold. Is that it?

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3 bet

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incorrect.

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why.

is this another rule, never 3 bet the turn w/ one pair even against aggros?


if he's got a Q, NOT 3 betting is incorrect, esp if he's incapable of folding it.

you guys with your hard and fast rules of playing are being ridiculous. play the player and follow your rules, please. as a default, yes this is a calldown. however, you should change your "defaults" based on who you're playing.

im actually surprised everyone thinks the villain has QT. In many instances, a hand like QT would check raise you on the flop....he has top pair.

IMO he either has a set or a naked Q.