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Igloo9 11-26-2007 05:35 PM

can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
villain is 19/16/6 over 80 hands - any other way I can play this???

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $103
MP: $136.25
Hero (CO): $117.85
BTN: $17.65
SB: $113.90
BB: $100

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $3, BB folds

Flop: ($8) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $18</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $48</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $110.40 and is All-In</font>, I have $62 left

Suigin406 11-26-2007 05:37 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
he's kinda telling u he has AK beat, no??...

aggro is high tho, meh, can't fold after 3betting flop

rakes.a.beach 11-26-2007 05:37 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
calls-- not even close

rsxpunk 11-26-2007 05:37 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
naw after you 3ball the flop you can't fold.

kaby 11-26-2007 05:37 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
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naw after you 3ball the flop you can't fold.

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nazahl 11-26-2007 05:38 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
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SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $48, SB raises to $110.40 and is All-In, I have $62 left

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try to avoid lines that have you putting in like 1/2 a stack and then folding. as played instacall the 4bet even though you HATE it.

what were you tryin to accomplish with your 4bet in the first place?

LOwrestling2001 11-26-2007 05:39 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
not now you can't, that's a must call after you 3bang the flop. a 19/16 isn't calling too much out of the blinds except a PP. The only drawing hand he'd do this with is 8d7d. I think call and re-evaluate turn here is good. I think if he bombs the turn you can find a fold.

LOwrestling2001 11-26-2007 05:39 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
haha dang everyone is fast, thot i was first in

Igloo9 11-26-2007 05:42 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
dont I have to reraise in this spot? he could very well have Aj, AQ, AT, diamond draw. can I give a free one here on the flop?

aka_bebel 11-26-2007 05:47 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
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dont I have to reraise in this spot? he could very well have Aj, AQ, AT, diamond draw. can I give a free one here on the flop?

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A 19/16 doesn't call AJ/AQ OOP and goes crazy on that flop very often
I think we can call FLOP and see a TURN.
19/16 over what sample ?
We hope he has here suited connectors because I doubt he does that with an A we beat .

bilbo-san 11-26-2007 06:13 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
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calls-- not even close

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Well, it's clearly a +EV call, even though you are rarely ahead:


Board: Ad 5d 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.274% 66.23% 00.05% 14424 10.50 { 66-55, A6s-A5s, KdQd, KdJd, 9d8d, 9d7d, 87s, 8d6d, 7d6d, 65s, 6d4d }
Hand 1: 33.726% 33.68% 00.05% 7335 10.50 { AcKh }

Note that this range doesn't include any pure bluffs or any hand like AJ/AQ that he's just getting over-aggro with.

I much prefer calling the flop and pushing any non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] turn.

aka_bebel 11-26-2007 06:24 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
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calls-- not even close

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Well, it's clearly a +EV call, even though you are rarely ahead:


Board: Ad 5d 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.274% 66.23% 00.05% 14424 10.50 { 66-55, A6s-A5s, KdQd, KdJd, 9d8d, 9d7d, 87s, 8d6d, 7d6d, 65s, 6d4d }
Hand 1: 33.726% 33.68% 00.05% 7335 10.50 { AcKh }

Note that this range doesn't include any pure bluffs or any hand like AJ/AQ that he's just getting over-aggro with.

I much prefer calling the flop and pushing any non-[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] turn.

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Should we just call flop and fold to any big bets on the TURN ?

nazahl 11-26-2007 06:41 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
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he could very well have Aj, AQ, AT

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these hands have 3 outs against you, what are you worried about?

Zen_Approach 11-26-2007 11:41 PM

Re: can I get away from tptk? 100nl
 
At this point call, although it probably won't be pretty. I'd try to slow things down a little on the flop. Just call the check raise and you can re-evaluate based on the turn action. Two reasons:

1) By just calling, he might think you are drawing and keep betting with a weaker ace.

2) Calling the flop might slow him down if he has a set/two pair, as he tries to get value thinking we have a weak ace.

As played, we can't get away from a marginal situation, which I would prefer to avoid.


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