SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
 

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villian is running around 24/13/1.46 over 150 hands

i normally would never even think about folding this hand, but i have a limited read that read him as really passive, he limpes in SB with KQo PF and plays a small pot with TP

i wouldn't worry about BB here, he's pretty spewy and i could never put him on a big hand


Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $208.55
BB: $277.00
UTG: $225.15
MP: $360.00
CO: $103.50
Hero (BTN): $432.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $7.00</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $26.00</font>, SB folds, BB calls $24.00, <font color="red">MP raises all-in to $360.00</font>, 2 folds
Uncalled bet of $334.00 returned to MP

Pot Size: $79.00

note i know this is not stand, but please keep the flaming to a minimum and think about this realistically, i seriously don't think a guy with this stat and read shoves anything less than AK, but there is like so few AKs out there

also my image has been tight, i've played a few pots with BB, but i don't think he views me as a lagtard or anything

How bad was this fold on a scale of 1-10? (1 being the worst)


My read isn't that solid, but basically, i'm asking you guys what you guys would do given i have that limited read and stats.

BB isn't that scary (but it could give rise to some concern, i don't really think BB is calling with AA here)

also how likely is it that BB being in induces MP to shove QQ here?

Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
 

If he shoves AK you can't fold, ever.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.293% 43.79% 03.51% 67479612 5402286.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 52.707% 49.20% 03.51% 75823176 5402286.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }

Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
 

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If he shoves AK you can't fold, ever.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.293% 43.79% 03.51% 67479612 5402286.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 52.707% 49.20% 03.51% 75823176 5402286.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }

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right, how many combos of AK are out there?

also you didn't put QQ, AA in his range, which is potentially off setting, but still, you gotta include them

i don't think stove does it justice here, also i am ask you to consider the read

Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
 

How is 13% PFR "really passive"? I'm not laying down KK preflop with "limited reads", I need a v good read that he has AA before I'd even consier it.

Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
 

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How is 13% PFR "really passive"? I'm not laying down KK preflop with "limited reads", I need a v good read that he has AA before I'd even consier it.

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1-10?

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How is 13% PFR "really passive"? I'm not laying down KK preflop with "limited reads", I need a v good read that he has AA before I'd even consier it.

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1-10?

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7/8. Why are you gonna tell me he showed AA now or something? Still think if you think he may shove QQ or AK you can't fold. Don't see how you cna be sure he wouldn't from his stats.

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If he shoves AK you can't fold, ever.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.293% 43.79% 03.51% 67479612 5402286.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 52.707% 49.20% 03.51% 75823176 5402286.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }

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right, how many combos of AK are out there?

also you didn't put QQ, AA in his range, which is potentially off setting, but still, you gotta include them

i don't think stove does it justice here, also i am ask you to consider the read

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KK+ includes AA, pokerstove is taking in account the fact that there are 2 Kings in your hand already and including QQ would give you even more equity...

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How is 13% PFR "really passive"? I'm not laying down KK preflop with "limited reads", I need a v good read that he has AA before I'd even consier it.

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1-10?

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7/8. Why are you gonna tell me he showed AA now or something? Still think if you think he may shove QQ or AK you can't fold. Don't see how you cna be sure he wouldn't from his stats.

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who cares what he showed or whether he showed, i'm not being result oriented and this isn't a brag,

but please consider that he knows we are 180 bb deep

Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
 

I don't mind this with 180BB stacks

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13% PFR is quite easily doing this with AKs, QQ. I had a guy with more solid stats do this with JJ to me the other day when I had AA so if the only read you have is the numbers then insta call.
He has AA = cooler [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
This is SSNL!!