Re: Low limit stud says it\'s correct to complete the bring in....
 

I am raising at a loose low limit table pretty much 90% of the time. The wired pair helps the deception of the hand which could turn into a very nice hand, as well as I'm usually raising with most premium pairs as long as there isn't more than 2 higher door cards left to act.
So I'm raising here as long as there are 2 or less higher door cards than my jacks.

Re: Low limit stud says it\'s correct to complete the bring in....
 

SG

UTG 95% easy limp, very easy

Re: Low limit stud says it\'s correct to complete the bring in....
 

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SG

UTG 95% easy limp, very easy

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No.
If you have jacks that are better than any other door card showing why on earth are you limping. You are asking to get drawn on.

Re: Low limit stud says it\'s correct to complete the bring in....
 

Reason why???

"if someone can put you accurately on a pair in the hole you are toast as they get to play their hand almost perfectly"

Re: Low limit stud says it\'s correct to complete the bring in....
 

wrong context. Don't tag onto Ray Zee's nuts just because he says something. Here you want to raise if there aren't any other door cards behind you. Good if they put you on jacks then they wont call and you win the pot. You are crazy not to raise at a loose low-limit table here because you will get callers anyway who aren't thinking gee he must have jacks, they are thinking he probably has a pair of 2s.

Re: Low limit stud says it\'s correct to complete the bring in....
 

A big pot too. You're wrong. You had a perfect chance to address Zee himself, THE MAN, and you completely ignored him. Yet you bring into the thread your author and a new book (Killer whatever). You have a chance to talk to Zee, why not do it? He's world class. Repeat, WORLD CLASS. How in the hell can you just blow him off??????????

Re: Low limit stud says it\'s correct to complete the bring in....
 

He was right about bringing in. SG didn't say i was bring in there, I was UTG. two different things there buddy. You want to just BI if you are the BI and you want to raise if you are UTG. Even the o mighty Ray Zee would say to raise UTG with wired jacks and the board looks nonthreatening.

Re: Low limit stud says it\'s correct to complete the bring in....
 

8 players. BI and UTG, 2 vs 3, are two different things???????? they are the same, from the betting side, therefore EZ limp.

Re: Low limit stud says it\'s correct to complete the bring in....
 

UTG is after the BI... It's not the same thing.

Re: Low limit stud says it\'s correct to complete the bring in....
 

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You then state
"Kammen suggests that if someone is showing open Queens and you have pocket Jacks on fourth street, you can call if your hand is live and the other guy’s is dead. I think that this is a terrible game-plan. If someone disagrees with me, I’ll go into mind-numbing detail."

I agree with Kammen here. He states you can go ahead and call if A) They have dead cards and B) You have live draws, with a good kicker. If you see that two queens are dead and you have your jacks as a total live draw as well as a better kicker than a queen, say JJK it is fine draw to a better hand depending on the pot size

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Ceegee, I don't think I understand what you're saying. If the villain has a better hand (two queens vs. your two jacks), and you have only five outs (two jacks and three kings (or three runners for a straight)); you'd need monstrous pot odds (at least 10:1) to call. Right?