200r bubble i aint never scared.
 

So 28 left when top 27 pay in 200r yesterday, some guy has like 2 antes left at a diferent table.

PokerStars Game #13474563381: Tournament #67348315, $200+$15 Hold'em No
Limit - Level XV (1500/3000) - 2007/11/26 - 00:57:09 (ET)
Table '67348315 28' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: wwwBTHEREcom (34802 in chips)
Seat 3: gmaleb (41642 in chips)
Seat 4: #1PEN (13066 in chips)
Seat 5: jalla79 (70692 in chips)
Seat 6: ZOR_Gambler (32215 in chips)
Seat 7: zangbezan24 (116614 in chips)
Seat 9: EATmyNuts (38350 in chips)
wwwBTHEREcom: posts the ante 300
gmaleb: posts the ante 300
#1PEN: posts the ante 300
jalla79: posts the ante 300
ZOR_Gambler: posts the ante 300
zangbezan24: posts the ante 300
EATmyNuts: posts the ante 300
EATmyNuts: posts small blind 1500
wwwBTHEREcom: posts big blind 3000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wwwBTHEREcom [3c Kd]
gmaleb: folds
#1PEN: folds
jalla79: folds
ZOR_Gambler: folds
zangbezan24: raises 113314 to 116314 and is all-in
EATmyNuts: folds
wwwBTHEREcom: calls 31502 and is all-in


Thoughts?

Re: 200r bubble i aint never scared.
 

eww

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why why why why why.

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I do that with AK and it never works, I hate you.

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btw i had the other table open w/ the shortstack and by the time i made the call he had already busted, but imperium had shoved before he was even all in on the other table. dont know if this matters.

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why why why why why.

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Because Im pretty certain his range is any 2 cards, and im ahead of said range.

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btw i had the other table open w/ the shortstack and by the time i made the call he had already busted, but imperium had shoved before he was even all in on the other table. dont know if this matters.

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matters greatly! Your already in the money, i think this call is sexy, because zang is shoving any 2.

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I like it much better now that you're ITM. Still though, you're basically 60/40 even if you're ahead and there's plenty of hands that beat you pretty bad. I think you can find a better spot with the play that's about to loosen up a bunch.

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Is Zang pushing 32o?

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Is Zang pushing 32o?

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If i was in his spot in this situation id be pushing 2 uno cards. The sb has <13 bb's also if ppl havent noticed.

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I got moved to your table right after this, it's really bad even if he's shoving 2 napkins.

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I got moved to your table right after this, it's really bad even if he's shoving 2 napkins.

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huh?

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I got moved to your table right after this, it's really bad even if he's shoving 2 napkins.

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huh?

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Bubbling really sucks there is a guy with two antes.

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Oh didn't see update where he's already itm but Sorel doesn't know that at time of push. In that case it should be good (edit: assuming the 2 ante guy is expected to fold which I assume he would be)

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I got moved to your table right after this, it's really bad even if he's shoving 2 napkins.

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huh?

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Bubbling really sucks there is a guy with two antes.

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but he said the guy had already busted

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lol EEEEEEEOOORRREEEEE EEEEEEEOOOOORREEEEEEE

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It's soooooooooooooooooooooo marginal. If he's shoving 90% of hands here you're behind.

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It's soooooooooooooooooooooo marginal. If he's shoving 90% of hands here you're behind.

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pot odds!

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This is so bad. It's one thing if u have like 5-6 bb's left but w/ 10 bb's u can find so many better spots.

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This is so bad. It's one thing if u have like 5-6 bb's left but w/ 10 bb's u can find so many better spots.

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This is far from bad given that the shorty already busted. It is significantly +cEV if zang is shoving ATC, which is pretty likely imo.

The call doesnt become breakeven cEVwise until zang's range is ~60%.

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Assuming Zang shoved before the 2bb stack busted at the other table
Assuming Zang knew there was a 2bb stack at another table
Assuming Zang will shove any two cards because of the first two statements

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this is fine

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Assuming Zang shoved before the 2bb stack busted at the other table
Assuming Zang knew there was a 2bb stack at another table
Assuming Zang will shove any two cards because of the first two statements

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this is fine

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QFT

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Assuming Zang shoved before the 2bb stack busted at the other table
Assuming Zang knew there was a 2bb stack at another table
Assuming Zang will shove any two cards because of the first two statements

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this is fine

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Sometimes the stars do align. Thanks for all the responses. He had A5c and i ended up winning and he started bitching in the chat afterwards which is the only reason i was wondering since i really dont think just because he happened to have me beat in this specific instance doesnt mean hes not shoving any 2 cards. Plus worst case scenario this call is for metagame purposes and ppl will never shove light on me again. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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some guy has like 2 antes left at a diferent table.

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this means you need to fold(im assuming you mean by two antes that he has less than a bb left, if you meant he had less than 2 rounds left than it is a lil different but still has to be accounted for)

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oh i should read the whole thread, but I still think that like others have said everything has had to happened exactly the way you are hoping that it happens, which isnt 100%, so i still really dont like the call

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oh i should read the whole thread, but I still think that like others have said everything has had to happened exactly the way you are hoping that it happens, which isnt 100%, so i still really dont like the call

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yea thats the point, hes folding if the shortie wasnt knocked out.

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When I first saw this hh I literally laughed out loud and for a second I even thought you altered it. After looking at it more carefully, I actually like it and think while this is always going to be marginal, it might actually be +EV. I do have two potential issues, one is that Zang being the baller he is might not be paying attention to the bubble situation as he prob. doesn't care too much especially if he's playing multiple tables and he may just look down at a 92o and fold w/o realizing he can push profitably. And obviously you need him to be pushing that hand and hands alike for this call to be good in the slightest. The 2nd concern is you said that even if the play isn't great it will give you a crazy image of calling light and therefore no one will shove on you light. This is meaningless imo because no one remembers anything online anyway and your past history should have a lot more effect on how people play against you then this one light call vs. the laggiest and probably craziest player at the table.

You're still my hero regardless.

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BTHERE YOU ARE MY HERO AND I LOVE THE CALL

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When I first saw this hh I literally laughed out loud and for a second I even thought you altered it. After looking at it more carefully, I actually like it and think while this is always going to be marginal, it might actually be +EV. I do have two potential issues, one is that Zang being the baller he is might not be paying attention to the bubble situation as he prob. doesn't care too much especially if he's playing multiple tables and he may just look down at a 92o and fold w/o realizing he can push profitably. And obviously you need him to be pushing that hand and hands alike for this call to be good in the slightest. The 2nd concern is you said that even if the play isn't great it will give you a crazy image of calling light and therefore no one will shove on you light. This is meaningless imo because no one remembers anything online anyway and your past history should have a lot more effect on how people play against you then this one light call vs. the laggiest and probably craziest player at the table.

You're still my hero regardless.

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heh yeah the metagame part was a joke [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. see ya at ts

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heh yeah the metagame part was a joke [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. see ya at ts

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LoL yea I'm stupid still great call.

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Why in the world would you not mention in the OP that you are in the money when you made your decision? In one case it should be a clear call, in the other case its a clear fold. I mean really wtf?

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