14 outs on the turn, raise?
 

I've been told to be more aggressive when I have lots of outs in a big pot. I'm not sure if I applied this concept properly in this situation though, help please.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.02/$0.04
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4SB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6BB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (18BB, 4 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Final pot: 22BB

Re: 14 outs on the turn, raise?
 

How many outs do you have on the turn? What are they?

Re: 14 outs on the turn, raise?
 

stop open limping preflop

turn raise in this hand is a disaster. sb can EASILY have a 6. button basically ALWAYS has a king. you don't have equity. also 14 outs? 9 clubs and 2 8s and a chance your flush outs are tainted.

Re: 14 outs on the turn, raise?
 

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How many outs do you have on the turn? What are they?

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Hint: a 7 is a good card for you less than 5% of the time, and I'm being generous.

Re: 14 outs on the turn, raise?
 

so the general consensus i'm hearing is..

my bet on the flop is ok, but on the turn i should have just check-called. is that right? or should i have folded?

Re: 14 outs on the turn, raise?
 

flop you are calling when bet is action before you...this is close, but the bddraws make it OK as I see it
turn you are calling when bet is action before you...probably behind, but still drawing to a flush

you probably shouldn't bluff when the chance that you can fold 3 players is pretty close to 0 and you are still behind.

Re: 14 outs on the turn, raise?
 

I would still like to see a count of outs here by OP.

I have no idea how he got to 14.

Re: 14 outs on the turn, raise?
 

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I would still like to see a count of outs here by OP.

I have no idea how he got to 14.

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9 flush outs + 2 eights + 3 sevens = 14 outs, yo.

Don't count your sevens as outs. Anyone with a king just made kings and sixes, so making eights and sevens won't help.

Re: 14 outs on the turn, raise?
 

I didn't know you were the OP Landonfan but yeah if we were being really open we could count two kings too that's 16.

I wanted to know what he saw.

Re: 14 outs on the turn, raise?
 

Lol, do you teach 3rd graders [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Did you expect op to tell you something different? We've already told him what his outs really are.

And are we counting kings as chop outs against other eights?