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jennaecks 08-28-2007 08:52 PM

Did I spew chips here or just a bad spot?
 
Button over 50 hands was playing 45% of the flops and raising preflop 27%

Decided this was a good time to 3 bet preflop giving the situation and hand.

Figured I had to call the allin after betting the flop bc his ranged included ak, aq, aj, kq, etc....

If he had a big pair....I figured I had some outs and backdoor outs also....

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $111.55
BB: $127.05
UTG: $94.75
MP: $98.50
CO: $107.70
BTN: $100.25

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $5.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $16.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $11.00

Flop: ($33) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $30.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises all-in to $84.25</font>, Hero calls $54.25

Turn: ($201.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

River: ($201.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $201.50 ($3 Rake)

BTN had Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and WON (+$98.25)
Hero had 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Sevens) and LOST (-$100.25)

sh58 08-28-2007 09:02 PM

Re: Did I spew chips here or just a bad spot?
 
i hardly ever 3bet light OOP, because it sucks being OOP in spots like this. having said that, it isn't that bad really. i would call his shove here with top pair. i think you have the correct odds against his range. you only need 27% equity. here is a reasonable range with AKs (not hearts) as a few bluff outs.

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50,490 games 0.005 secs 10,098,000 games/sec

Board: 7h 2h 4s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.344% 26.34% 00.00% 13301 0.00 { 7c6c }
Hand 1: 73.656% 73.66% 00.00% 37189 0.00 { 77+, AKs, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, KhQh }

with this range it is a call just about. i think villain looks spewey enough to do this with a much wider range

Fat Nicky 08-28-2007 09:05 PM

Re: Did I spew chips here or just a bad spot?
 
why did you feel this was a good time for a 3-bet pre-flop?

i think it sucks because he's likely not folding, and you're building a pot out of position against an erratic player.

jennaecks 08-28-2007 09:07 PM

Re: Did I spew chips here or just a bad spot?
 
Thats what I figured....didnt like calling...more off a call n pray.....but I thought mathematically...it was correct.....

The button was out of control and figured it was time to take advantage of it.....

KingGordy 08-28-2007 09:08 PM

Re: Did I spew chips here or just a bad spot?
 
Don't like, this is not the type of opponent to be doing this against. A guy with these stats is pretty much always going to call your 3 bet, so you end up in a big pot OOP with 7 high against a guy who doesn't like to fold. Save these type of 3 bets for nits.

Fat Nicky 08-28-2007 09:09 PM

Re: Did I spew chips here or just a bad spot?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Thats what I figured....didnt like calling...more off a call n pray.....but I thought mathematically...it was correct.....

The button was out of control and figured it was time to take advantage of it.....

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i don't get it. plz explain the math behind your 3-bet?

Squareview 08-28-2007 09:13 PM

Re: Did I spew chips here or just a bad spot?
 
3 bet pf is fine but his calling range doesnt shrink in poss, like yours should oop. did you beat 50 and 25nl?

Fat Nicky 08-28-2007 09:16 PM

Re: Did I spew chips here or just a bad spot?
 
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3 bet pf is fine but his calling range doesnt shrink in poss, like yours should oop. did you beat 50 and 25nl?

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is this addressed to me?

sh58 08-28-2007 09:45 PM

Re: Did I spew chips here or just a bad spot?
 
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3 bet pf is fine but his calling range doesnt shrink in poss, like yours should oop. did you beat 50 and 25nl?

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link please to any post you have made where you have said something nice/constructive. PF 3bet is actually very marginal IMO

jennaecks 08-28-2007 09:47 PM

Re: Did I spew chips here or just a bad spot?
 
after continuation bet on the flop......mathematically i had to call the all in I was trying to address....

But after posting and reading.....I see I could have made a better play with a better hand....


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