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thac 11-28-2007 09:38 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
FullTiltPoker Game #4321822343: Table Darling (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:59:06 ET - 2007/11/28
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 ($400)
Seat 2: ungar2000 ($813.10)
Seat 3: czplaya ($480.10)
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe ($515), is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem ($430.20), is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy ($400)
czplaya posts the small blind of $2
ilovemypuppy posts the big blind of $4
5 seconds left to act
cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Time has expired
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ilovemypuppy [Ad Ah]
ungar2000 folds
czplaya raises to $12
ilovemypuppy calls $8
*** FLOP *** [4s 7h 8s]
czplaya bets $18
ilovemypuppy raises to $64
czplaya calls $46
*** TURN *** [4s 7h 8s] [3d]
czplaya checks
ilovemypuppy bets $124
czplaya raises to $404.10, and is all in
ilovemypuppy calls $200, and is all in
czplaya shows [Th Td]
ilovemypuppy shows [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet of $80.10 returned to czplaya
*** RIVER *** [4s 7h 8s 3d] [4h]
czplaya shows two pair, Tens and Fours
ilovemypuppy shows two pair, Aces and Fours
ilovemypuppy wins the pot ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours
whiteyholdem has returned
whiteyholdem is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $800 | Rake $1
Board: [4s 7h 8s 3d 4h]
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Seat 2: ungar2000 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: czplaya (small blind) showed [Th Td] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy (big blind) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours

How am I gonna eat tonight?!

Wires 11-28-2007 09:38 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
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But let me ask the question. Why wouldn't you guys support a membership site? Say $49/month or some such number?

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Tuff,

It isn't that I wouldn't support it, I would in the right conditions. I know it's a good idea but how are you going to convince the recreational player that it's worth the investment. The guy who plays a couple of Friday nights a month isn't going to see the value in making this monthly payment. If you figure out how to stock your pond I'm there in a heartbeat.

Komodo 11-28-2007 09:50 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
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FullTiltPoker Game #4321822343: Table Darling (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:59:06 ET - 2007/11/28
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 ($400)
Seat 2: ungar2000 ($813.10)
Seat 3: czplaya ($480.10)
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe ($515), is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem ($430.20), is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy ($400)
czplaya posts the small blind of $2
ilovemypuppy posts the big blind of $4
5 seconds left to act
cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Time has expired
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ilovemypuppy [Ad Ah]
ungar2000 folds
czplaya raises to $12
ilovemypuppy calls $8
*** FLOP *** [4s 7h 8s]
czplaya bets $18
ilovemypuppy raises to $64
czplaya calls $46
*** TURN *** [4s 7h 8s] [3d]
czplaya checks
ilovemypuppy bets $124
czplaya raises to $404.10, and is all in
ilovemypuppy calls $200, and is all in
czplaya shows [Th Td]
ilovemypuppy shows [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet of $80.10 returned to czplaya
*** RIVER *** [4s 7h 8s 3d] [4h]
czplaya shows two pair, Tens and Fours
ilovemypuppy shows two pair, Aces and Fours
ilovemypuppy wins the pot ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours
whiteyholdem has returned
whiteyholdem is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $800 | Rake $1
Board: [4s 7h 8s 3d 4h]
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Seat 2: ungar2000 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: czplaya (small blind) showed [Th Td] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy (big blind) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours

How am I gonna eat tonight?!

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Its because its 4-handed?

demon102 11-28-2007 09:56 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
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When did 6max become the norm and why? Here is my answer: about 3 years ago and to increase the rake that every player pays by almost 100%.

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Wrong again. 6 max became the norm because it was demanded by the players. As 6 max gained popularity players started gravitating towards the sites that offered these shorthanded games. The action junkies gravitated towards these tables making them much more profitable than full ring.

There were many threads on this forum (where the GMs of poker sites often participated) when 6 max tables first emerged. Lots of pressure was put on sites that did not offer short handed tables.

More hands = more rake of course but it was never the sites who forced 6 max tables upon the players - it was definitely the other way around.

I'm all for lower rake but posts like yours will never result in serious discussion. You make up facts (such as rewriting history on the birth of 6 max) to fit your argument. You don't offer any solutions and everything you have stated was already stated by the crazy who preceded you.

You offer nothing new or constructive to the discussion.

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ooooooooo PWNED!!!!!! [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

thac 11-28-2007 09:57 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
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Its because its 4-handed?

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Yeah, but my highest rake/hand paid is only ever $3.

sethypooh21 11-29-2007 05:49 AM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
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I am also of the belief that I should be provided with free lawyers, guns, and money

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in order, no, because I like my salary. No, because anarchy man. And LDO, especially if it's paid in Nigerian Gold held in trust from some long lost prince.

STOPRAKEGREED 11-29-2007 02:36 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
When did 6max become the norm and why? Here is my answer: about 3 years ago and to increase the rake that every player pays by almost 100%.

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Wrong again. 6 max became the norm because it was demanded by the players. As 6 max gained popularity players started gravitating towards the sites that offered these shorthanded games. The action junkies gravitated towards these tables making them much more profitable than full ring.

There were many threads on this forum (where the GMs of poker sites often participated) when 6 max tables first emerged. Lots of pressure was put on sites that did not offer short handed tables.

More hands = more rake of course but it was never the sites who forced 6 max tables upon the players - it was definitely the other way around.

I'm all for lower rake but posts like yours will never result in serious discussion. You make up facts (such as rewriting history on the birth of 6 max) to fit your argument. You don't offer any solutions and everything you have stated was already stated by the crazy who preceded you.

You offer nothing new or constructive to the discussion.

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It is naive to think that the sites did this because of player pressure. Did they also raise the rake from $2-$3 because of player pressure? Put up the links where the GM's are getting pressured if you can. Also, as this very thread shows, the sites have plenty of lackies to post there point of view. LOL. There was more short action on Party Poker before the 6-max games arrived. Some of us remember when you could see 20 or so 2-4 handed games. So YOU my friend are WRONG AGAIN.

Really, answer this: Don't you think that the sites will try to manipulate the discussion on here? Answer no to that. I dare you. Then will see who gets flamed.

STOPRAKEGREED 11-29-2007 02:47 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
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FullTiltPoker Game #4321822343: Table Darling (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:59:06 ET - 2007/11/28
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 ($400)
Seat 2: ungar2000 ($813.10)
Seat 3: czplaya ($480.10)
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe ($515), is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem ($430.20), is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy ($400)
czplaya posts the small blind of $2
ilovemypuppy posts the big blind of $4
5 seconds left to act
cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Time has expired
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ilovemypuppy [Ad Ah]
ungar2000 folds
czplaya raises to $12
ilovemypuppy calls $8
*** FLOP *** [4s 7h 8s]
czplaya bets $18
ilovemypuppy raises to $64
czplaya calls $46
*** TURN *** [4s 7h 8s] [3d]
czplaya checks
ilovemypuppy bets $124
czplaya raises to $404.10, and is all in
ilovemypuppy calls $200, and is all in
czplaya shows [Th Td]
ilovemypuppy shows [Ad Ah]
Uncalled bet of $80.10 returned to czplaya
*** RIVER *** [4s 7h 8s 3d] [4h]
czplaya shows two pair, Tens and Fours
ilovemypuppy shows two pair, Aces and Fours
ilovemypuppy wins the pot ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours
whiteyholdem has returned
whiteyholdem is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $800 | Rake $1
Board: [4s 7h 8s 3d 4h]
Seat 1: cardiffgiant1 is sitting out
Seat 2: ungar2000 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: czplaya (small blind) showed [Th Td] and lost with two pair, Tens and Fours
Seat 4: Erik Bloodaxe is sitting out
Seat 5: whiteyholdem is sitting out
Seat 6: ilovemypuppy (big blind) showed [Ad Ah] and won ($799) with two pair, Aces and Fours

How am I gonna eat tonight?!

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Maybe you guys should "pressure" fulltilt to just offer 4 handed tables then.

DMoogle 11-29-2007 03:03 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
I'd still like to see a PT shot. Honestly I've never seen a screenshot with millions of hands... most was FGators' 1.6 or so.

STOPRAKEGREED 11-29-2007 03:25 PM

Re: Why online poker sucks.
 
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I'd still like to see a PT shot. Honestly I've never seen a screenshot with millions of hands... most was FGators' 1.6 or so.

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How exactly does this add to the debate?


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