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MidGe 10-13-2007 08:46 AM

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* Hitler is unacceptable for this 'honor'. It's difficult to point to any substantial Christian philosophy guiding his action.

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How convenient!

PS You must see the last century as very special for chritianity! LOL

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I see it as an absolute indictment of secular/atheist regimes VS Christian regimes. Only the blind or the deluded would believe otherwise.

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Going on the last 2000 years or so, which is more representative, I see so called christian behavior so perverse and calculated that it does stand as absolute indictment of christianity. Only the blind or the deluded would believe otherwise.

Hopey 10-13-2007 10:02 AM

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* Hitler is unacceptable for this 'honor'. It's difficult to point to any substantial Christian philosophy guiding his action.

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"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life." - Adolf Hitler in a speech in 1933.

http://z.about.com/d/history1900s/1/0/Z/P/hitler19.jpg

http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC/hitler4.jpg

http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC/...luteHitler.jpg

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MidGe 10-13-2007 10:05 AM

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Hey they are not nazis with christians!!! True christians only belong to [insert your own sect here]!

vhawk01 10-13-2007 10:59 AM

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Theism is a problem in our world.

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What? Someone believing in God is a problem for you? LoL.

pokervintage

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My cousin is gay. My aunts neighbor was in the tower. My neighbors cousin was raped and needs an abortion. My best friends sister-in-law's niece has aids in africa. My ....

Yep. It's a problem for me. How personal does it have to be before it can be deemed a problem? I'm not a gay pregnant person with aids in africa if that's what you're wondering.
( I made up the other stuff).

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Non-Christian regimes were the root cause of the death of perhaps 100,000,000 people last century.

But no need to worry, we're all better, enlightened and all.

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that 'argument' always seems retarded to me.
"I don't want a bear to eat my dog."
"Why, more dogs are killed by cars than bears".
"oh, ok, then I guess I do want a bear to eat my dog".

Where does it imply that I want to be abused by a non-theist regime? I stated the things I don't want to occur because of some guy doing what his god is telling him. I try to keep the other nutties out of power also.

If Pol Pot comes back in power and kills 40,000,000 next year, I still don't want a rape victim to be forced to go to term in Alabama.
How you read that as support for Pol Pot, or meaning that Pol Pot wasn't worse.... oh, never mind, I do know why.

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Accept that it's a trade. Eliminate Christianity and understand that the opportunity for Stalin and Pol Pot is increased, and with it, so is the chance your girlfriend won't be murdering any babies in the womb.

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LOL, ok. You understand there are different reasons and motivations for eliminating Christianity right? (Not that I want to do this) So, eliminating it for SOME reasons might lead to an opening or propensity for Stalin-like disaster. But surely you can use your imagination to come up with OTHER reasons and motivations that would be JUST AS harsh towards Stalin-like movements as Christian movements?

vhawk01 10-13-2007 11:02 AM

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Atheist don't share an ideology or a basis for it with any specific or general atheistic wrongdoer.


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Saying it doesn't make it so. To not choose is a choice. To eschew a Christian society is to choose the chaos that lies in the direction of a secular society. It may not be chaotic today and Pol Pot may not self-generate, but the potential is greatly increased.

I'm trying to think of the most foul, doubtlessly Christian* world leader in the last century. Whoever gets the nod, he'll be small beer next to Stalin and Mao, or even Pol Pot.

* Hitler is unacceptable for this 'honor'. It's difficult to point to any substantial Christian philosophy guiding his action.

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LOL, this is like saying it is better to accept the GUARANTEED atrocities and abuses and infringments on our freedoms that come with a government because "Hey who knows without government really bad stuff could happen!" Yes, of course really bad stuff could happen but that is no reason to accept the GUARANTEE of really bad stuff happening, right?

IOW, Argument from the Status Quo = fallacious.

vhawk01 10-13-2007 11:04 AM

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* Hitler is unacceptable for this 'honor'. It's difficult to point to any substantial Christian philosophy guiding his action.

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How convenient!

PS You must see the last century as very special for chritianity! LOL

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So the greatest country in the history of the world isn't favorable evidence for secular regimes? Or do you get to claim the US is in fact a Christian regime but somehow Hitler's Germany was not? I'd love to see how that argument goes.

Bill Haywood 10-13-2007 12:08 PM

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People like to beat up on easy targets.

Lestat 10-13-2007 02:07 PM

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I admit there's some truth to what you say. If you're a fan of logic (and like to debate), it can be fun to "rip" into the illogical arguments of theists. But there's another reason I think it's important to discuss this philosophical topic. Mainly, that the world would be a better place if everyone thought more logically when it came to religion and gods.

boracay 10-13-2007 06:20 PM

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Mainly, that the world would be a better place if everyone thought more logically when it came to religion and gods.

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Good point.

Archon_Wing 10-13-2007 06:45 PM

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Although I do thing religions involvement in these atrocities was a matter of conveniences for those seeking to wage war. The Crusades would have probaly happened without Christianity under another name I think.



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