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Kermit 08-21-2007 05:36 PM

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jay is owning this therad

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hahai was going to say that when i got to the bottom

kolo,

LDO...

Chump Change 08-21-2007 05:36 PM

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It may come as a complete surprise to you, but one can be an atheist and view homosexuality as an amoral retardation, similiar to someone being born blind or with no arms.

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Ah, I see. He was using a different definition of 'retardation'. However, morals are not a factor in 'retards' (down syndrome, palsy) so I don't know where the qualifier 'amoral' comes from.

Poor confused bigot.

Quote this so he can read it.

Chump Change 08-21-2007 05:38 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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Define 'a lot'.

So you're a christian but you don't believe in God?

Kermit 08-21-2007 05:38 PM

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It may come as a complete surprise to you, but one can be an atheist and view homosexuality as an amoral retardation, similiar to someone being born blind or with no arms.

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Ah, I see. He was using a different definition of 'retardation'. However, morals are not a factor in 'retards' (down syndrome, palsy) so I don't know where the qualifier 'amoral' comes from.

Poor confused bigot.

Quote this so he can read it.

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i hate those amoral retards with no arms

KingGeedorah 08-21-2007 05:38 PM

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have you hooked up with a guy?

are you interested in any one guy at this time?

futuredoc85 08-21-2007 05:41 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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so who gets to pick which parts of it are to be taken word-for-word and which parts are allegory/parable? Im pretty sure creationism and the virgin birth are pretty popular among most sects of Christianity. Or do you mean that they view the Christmas story as a parable as well? B/c it would be one hell of a coincidence that Jesus happened to be born/the biggest holiday of the religion happens to coincide w/ pretty much the same holiday pagans were celebrating thousands of years before Jesus was born. Christians love to quote the bible to condemn someone but then turn around and play off the parts they cant explain as the parts that you arent supposed to take literally.

Heavens_Myst 08-21-2007 05:41 PM

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everyone who is for gay people grew up a loser and just defends other weirdos because they know how it feels to be an outsider

cool methodology you freaks

slothinator 08-21-2007 05:42 PM

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have you hooked up with a guy?

are you interested in any one guy at this time?

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Are you interested? YGOS?

UATrewqaz 08-21-2007 05:42 PM

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Do you even know what amoral means? It means having no morality at all.

That is to say very few educated people believe that retardations from birth have any sort of good/evil associated with them.

That is to say, when a person is born with no arms, they are retarded, but they are not evil because they have no arms.

Jay Riall 08-21-2007 05:43 PM

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Madman Madman 08-21-2007 05:44 PM

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It may come as a complete surprise to you, but one can be an atheist and view homosexuality as an amoral retardation, similiar to someone being born blind or with no arms.

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Ah, I see. He was using a different definition of 'retardation'. However, morals are not a factor in 'retards' (down syndrome, palsy) so I don't know where the qualifier 'amoral' comes from.

Poor confused bigot.

Quote this so he can read it.

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never!

Jay Riall 08-21-2007 05:44 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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so who gets to pick which parts of it are to be taken word-for-word and which parts are allegory/parable? Im pretty sure creationism and the virgin birth are pretty popular among most sects of Christianity. Or do you mean that they view the Christmas story as a parable as well? B/c it would be one hell of a coincidence that Jesus happened to be born/the biggest holiday of the religion happens to coincide w/ pretty much the same holiday pagans were celebrating thousands of years before Jesus was born. Christians love to quote the bible to condemn someone but then turn around and play off the parts they cant explain as the parts that you arent supposed to take literally.

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Because its a book about morality and spirituality not a historical document.

solids 08-21-2007 05:44 PM

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OP--

No question really. Just wanted to say this is the perfect forum for a thread like this.

futuredoc85 08-21-2007 05:44 PM

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everyone who is for gay people grew up a loser and just defends other weirdos because they know how it feels to be an outsider

cool methodology you freaks

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lol your powers of deduction are astounding sir. im really not sure how to respond to this tbqh.

Heavens_Myst 08-21-2007 05:45 PM

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everyone who is for gay people grew up a loser and just defends other weirdos because they know how it feels to be an outsider

cool methodology you freaks

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lol your powers of deduction are astounding sir. im really not sure how to respond to this tbqh.

[/ QUOTE ]play some uno?

futuredoc85 08-21-2007 05:45 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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so who gets to pick which parts of it are to be taken word-for-word and which parts are allegory/parable? Im pretty sure creationism and the virgin birth are pretty popular among most sects of Christianity. Or do you mean that they view the Christmas story as a parable as well? B/c it would be one hell of a coincidence that Jesus happened to be born/the biggest holiday of the religion happens to coincide w/ pretty much the same holiday pagans were celebrating thousands of years before Jesus was born. Christians love to quote the bible to condemn someone but then turn around and play off the parts they cant explain as the parts that you arent supposed to take literally.

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Because its a book about morality and spirituality not a historical document.

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Not according to christian theology...

PsYcOsNiPeR 08-21-2007 05:46 PM

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...do you get turned on by looking at your own dick?

Triumph36 08-21-2007 05:46 PM

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Do you even know what amoral means? It means having no morality at all.

That is to say very few educated people believe that retardations from birth have any sort of good/evil associated with them.

That is to say, when a person is born with no arms, they are retarded, but they are not evil because they have no arms.

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UA,

you are a moron. so you basically regard gay people as subhuman and you're doing so intellectually? lolol. how long did it take you to rationalize that one?

do you also hate retarded people or just gay people? how about people with no arms - do you hate them for daring to be born without two key limbs?

Chump Change 08-21-2007 05:46 PM

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Do you even know what amoral means? It means having no morality at all.

That is to say very few educated people believe that retardations from birth have any sort of good/evil associated with them.

That is to say, when a person is born with no arms, they are retarded, but they are not evil because they have no arms.

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Point taken. I assumed that because of the utter redundancy of the qualifier 'amoral' you were misusing the word.

Egg on our face.

Somebody quote this too.

Chump Change 08-21-2007 05:47 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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so who gets to pick which parts of it are to be taken word-for-word and which parts are allegory/parable? Im pretty sure creationism and the virgin birth are pretty popular among most sects of Christianity. Or do you mean that they view the Christmas story as a parable as well? B/c it would be one hell of a coincidence that Jesus happened to be born/the biggest holiday of the religion happens to coincide w/ pretty much the same holiday pagans were celebrating thousands of years before Jesus was born. Christians love to quote the bible to condemn someone but then turn around and play off the parts they cant explain as the parts that you arent supposed to take literally.

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Because its a book about morality and spirituality not a historical document.

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So you don't believe in god then?

Heavens_Myst 08-21-2007 05:48 PM

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futuredoc85 08-21-2007 05:48 PM

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Do you even know what amoral means? It means having no morality at all.

That is to say very few educated people believe that retardations from birth have any sort of good/evil associated with them.

That is to say, when a person is born with no arms, they are retarded, but they are not evil because they have no arms.

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Point taken. I assumed that because of the utter redundancy of the qualifier 'amoral' you were misusing the word.

Egg on our face.

Somebody quote this too.

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i understood what you meant once you explained it, but my point that it's moronic still stands. The only argument supporting any form of retardation would be that it inhibits breeding, which is false b/c while it may inhibit there desire for recreational intercourse w/ women, they are still perfectly capable of breeding.

Jay Riall 08-21-2007 05:49 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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Define 'a lot'.

So you're a christian but you don't believe in God?

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Lol no, I believe in God, I just believe a lot of the stories (especially Old Testement ones) obviously aren't factual and are more allegorical. They were written thousands of years ago ffs and passed down by word of mouth, embellished, elaborated upon etc etc, of course they're not literal.

futuredoc85 08-21-2007 05:50 PM

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retarded people dont have a choice

gay people do imo that makes them worse than even me

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assuming that you're right (dont go out of your way to show anything crazy like "evidence" or even "loose empirical support") what makes them worse than you? the fact that they made a different choice than you? Do you feel the same way about people who like foods that disgust you?

Jay Riall 08-21-2007 05:51 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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so who gets to pick which parts of it are to be taken word-for-word and which parts are allegory/parable? Im pretty sure creationism and the virgin birth are pretty popular among most sects of Christianity. Or do you mean that they view the Christmas story as a parable as well? B/c it would be one hell of a coincidence that Jesus happened to be born/the biggest holiday of the religion happens to coincide w/ pretty much the same holiday pagans were celebrating thousands of years before Jesus was born. Christians love to quote the bible to condemn someone but then turn around and play off the parts they cant explain as the parts that you arent supposed to take literally.

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Because its a book about morality and spirituality not a historical document.

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Not according to conservative christian theology...

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Chump Change 08-21-2007 05:51 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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Define 'a lot'.

So you're a christian but you don't believe in God?

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Lol no, I believe in God, I just believe a lot of the stories (especially Old Testement ones) obviously aren't factual and are more allegorical. They were written thousands of years ago ffs and passed down by word of mouth, embellished, elaborated upon etc etc, of course they're not literal.

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I see, such as methuselah and the like.

I don't want to hijack this thread further. The stuff with UT is discussing homosexuality so it's at least on topic, though a full on religious discussion would be out of hand.

UATrewqaz 08-21-2007 05:52 PM

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People are born with down syndrome. This is fact.

People are born gay. (some dispute this but for the sake of argument let's say this is fact)

Are people born with down syndrome retarded? If yes/no then why?
Are people born gay retarded? If yes/no then why?

futuredoc85 08-21-2007 05:52 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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Define 'a lot'.

So you're a christian but you don't believe in God?

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Lol no, I believe in God, I just believe a lot of the stories (especially Old Testement ones) obviously aren't factual and are more allegorical. They were written thousands of years ago ffs and passed down by word of mouth, embellished, elaborated upon etc etc, of course they're not literal.

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ok but according to christian theology these stories came straight from God to the authors. surely you see the conflict? you (not you personally b/c i havent seen you do it) can't use one part of a book to condemn others and then write off the parts of the same book that dont add up by saying "you arent supposed to take it literally."

Jay Riall 08-21-2007 05:52 PM

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retarded people dont have a choice

gay people do imo that makes them worse than even me

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Lol your an ass if your serious.

Chump Change 08-21-2007 05:52 PM

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retarded people dont have a choice

gay people do

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Trolly McTrollerton

futuredoc85 08-21-2007 05:54 PM

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People are born with down syndrome. This is fact.

People are born gay. (some dispute this but for the sake of argument let's say this is fact)

Are people born with down syndrome retarded? If yes/no then why?
Are people born gay retarded? If yes/no then why?

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1) a) yes b) they are genetically altered in a way that inhibits their independence/livelihood.

2) a) no b) as of now we know of no genetic difference and no disabling characteristics associated w/ homosexuality.

Chump Change 08-21-2007 05:57 PM

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People are born with down syndrome. This is fact.

People are born gay. (some dispute this but for the sake of argument let's say this is fact)

Are people born with down syndrome retarded? If yes/no then why?
Are people born gay retarded? If yes/no then why?

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This is a fair and interesting point, but YOU KNOW the way in which you initially phrased it would get taken out of context and start a hijack.

Red hair, is considered a genetic anomaly or genetic 'defect', right?

Triumph36 08-21-2007 05:57 PM

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People are born with down syndrome. This is fact.

People are born gay. (some dispute this but for the sake of argument let's say this is fact)

Are people born with down syndrome retarded? If yes/no then why?
Are people born gay retarded? If yes/no then why?

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the word 'retarded' has no meaning the way you are using it. if you're using it to include gay people, you are basically meaning it to say 'subhuman' or 'deformed'.

since 'retarded' has little meaning to me anymore except for an insult - i'd be more likely to say 'he has down's syndrome' rather than 'he was retarded' - no, i wouldn't call gay people retarded, nor would i have a reason to. a person's sexuality does not change my interactions with them.

fraserbrown 08-21-2007 06:02 PM

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Look at his other thread lol, like 2 months ago.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0&fpart=1

Jay Riall 08-21-2007 06:08 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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Define 'a lot'.

So you're a christian but you don't believe in God?

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Lol no, I believe in God, I just believe a lot of the stories (especially Old Testement ones) obviously aren't factual and are more allegorical. They were written thousands of years ago ffs and passed down by word of mouth, embellished, elaborated upon etc etc, of course they're not literal.

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ok but according to christian theology these stories came straight from God to the authors. surely you see the conflict? you (not you personally b/c i havent seen you do it) can't use one part of a book to condemn others and then write off the parts of the same book that dont add up by saying "you arent supposed to take it literally."

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lol cba to have this argument at this time of night (also partly because I am pretty damn inarticulate on my beliefs). Also I get lol'd at for them (which is just as bigoted as people think I am for thinking homosexuality is wrong).

Fonkey123 08-21-2007 06:10 PM

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Have you ever been with a guy?

Was the process a "sudden awakening" or did it slowly develop over a period of time?

futuredoc85 08-21-2007 06:11 PM

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quote is getting absurdly long, but im not laughing at you for your belief in god, i just dont understand judging people based on a book that admittedly shouldnt be taken literally.

bmwguy525 08-21-2007 06:12 PM

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Look at his other thread lol, like 2 months ago.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0&fpart=1

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1. You are probably the only one who hasn't seen this yet, since you just registered last month

2. It wasn't from 2 months ago, the OP's date is 07/02/07, which was last month.

3. That thread is not funny pertaining to this. The thread about his excessive shower time, however, is extremely lol.

Avatar of Wine 08-21-2007 06:13 PM

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People are born with down syndrome. This is fact.

People are born gay. (some dispute this but for the sake of argument let's say this is fact)

Are people born with down syndrome retarded? If yes/no then why?

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They are "retarded" because their development path (in multiple ways) has been slowed or stopped altogether.

The term "retardation" generally refers, in this context, to mental handicap - for instance, those with Down's may never reach an educational or intellectual level beyond say six years old.

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Are people born gay retarded? If yes/no then why?

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Clearly not, under any reasonable definition of "development" - it does not appear, under current evidence, that homosexuality is a "stopping point" on the way to normal development, and their sexual and reproductive well-being functions normally for their gender.

Being unable to reproduce because of the lack of a uterus is a piss-poor definition of "retarded" - unless, of course, every single male not currently engaged in regular intercourse is also "retarded."

It's a poor attempt to abuse definitions (thus, troll).

futuredoc85 08-21-2007 06:14 PM

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also jay, i dont really have a problem w/ anything you've said in the thread, since it seems to mostly be good-natured kidding w/ kolo, and you havent been an obscenely ignorant bigot like H.M., or a moron like UAT


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