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futuredoc85 08-21-2007 05:54 PM

Re: Ask me about : coming out
 
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People are born with down syndrome. This is fact.

People are born gay. (some dispute this but for the sake of argument let's say this is fact)

Are people born with down syndrome retarded? If yes/no then why?
Are people born gay retarded? If yes/no then why?

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1) a) yes b) they are genetically altered in a way that inhibits their independence/livelihood.

2) a) no b) as of now we know of no genetic difference and no disabling characteristics associated w/ homosexuality.

Chump Change 08-21-2007 05:57 PM

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People are born with down syndrome. This is fact.

People are born gay. (some dispute this but for the sake of argument let's say this is fact)

Are people born with down syndrome retarded? If yes/no then why?
Are people born gay retarded? If yes/no then why?

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This is a fair and interesting point, but YOU KNOW the way in which you initially phrased it would get taken out of context and start a hijack.

Red hair, is considered a genetic anomaly or genetic 'defect', right?

Triumph36 08-21-2007 05:57 PM

Re: Ask me about : coming out
 
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People are born with down syndrome. This is fact.

People are born gay. (some dispute this but for the sake of argument let's say this is fact)

Are people born with down syndrome retarded? If yes/no then why?
Are people born gay retarded? If yes/no then why?

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the word 'retarded' has no meaning the way you are using it. if you're using it to include gay people, you are basically meaning it to say 'subhuman' or 'deformed'.

since 'retarded' has little meaning to me anymore except for an insult - i'd be more likely to say 'he has down's syndrome' rather than 'he was retarded' - no, i wouldn't call gay people retarded, nor would i have a reason to. a person's sexuality does not change my interactions with them.

fraserbrown 08-21-2007 06:02 PM

Re: Ask me about : coming out
 
Look at his other thread lol, like 2 months ago.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0&fpart=1

Jay Riall 08-21-2007 06:08 PM

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Assuming you believe you were born gay, which most gay people seem to, do you consider yourself retarded?

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any particular reason he should consider himself retarded? Perhaps b/c he doesnt live the way it says to in a book featuring creationism (LOL!), Noah saving every single species of animal inhabiting the earth on an ark, virgin birth, and a man being swallowed by a whale and surviving? Assuming you believe in Christianity, which most anti-homosexual bigots do, do you consider yourself retarded?

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do you consider yourself retarded that you don't realise a lot of Christians think that those stories are allegories or parable?

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Define 'a lot'.

So you're a christian but you don't believe in God?

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Lol no, I believe in God, I just believe a lot of the stories (especially Old Testement ones) obviously aren't factual and are more allegorical. They were written thousands of years ago ffs and passed down by word of mouth, embellished, elaborated upon etc etc, of course they're not literal.

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ok but according to christian theology these stories came straight from God to the authors. surely you see the conflict? you (not you personally b/c i havent seen you do it) can't use one part of a book to condemn others and then write off the parts of the same book that dont add up by saying "you arent supposed to take it literally."

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lol cba to have this argument at this time of night (also partly because I am pretty damn inarticulate on my beliefs). Also I get lol'd at for them (which is just as bigoted as people think I am for thinking homosexuality is wrong).

Fonkey123 08-21-2007 06:10 PM

Re: Ask me about : coming out
 
Have you ever been with a guy?

Was the process a "sudden awakening" or did it slowly develop over a period of time?

futuredoc85 08-21-2007 06:11 PM

Re: Ask me about : coming out
 
quote is getting absurdly long, but im not laughing at you for your belief in god, i just dont understand judging people based on a book that admittedly shouldnt be taken literally.

bmwguy525 08-21-2007 06:12 PM

Re: Ask me about : coming out
 
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Look at his other thread lol, like 2 months ago.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=0&fpart=1

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1. You are probably the only one who hasn't seen this yet, since you just registered last month

2. It wasn't from 2 months ago, the OP's date is 07/02/07, which was last month.

3. That thread is not funny pertaining to this. The thread about his excessive shower time, however, is extremely lol.

Avatar of Wine 08-21-2007 06:13 PM

Re: Ask me about : coming out
 
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People are born with down syndrome. This is fact.

People are born gay. (some dispute this but for the sake of argument let's say this is fact)

Are people born with down syndrome retarded? If yes/no then why?

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They are "retarded" because their development path (in multiple ways) has been slowed or stopped altogether.

The term "retardation" generally refers, in this context, to mental handicap - for instance, those with Down's may never reach an educational or intellectual level beyond say six years old.

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Are people born gay retarded? If yes/no then why?

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Clearly not, under any reasonable definition of "development" - it does not appear, under current evidence, that homosexuality is a "stopping point" on the way to normal development, and their sexual and reproductive well-being functions normally for their gender.

Being unable to reproduce because of the lack of a uterus is a piss-poor definition of "retarded" - unless, of course, every single male not currently engaged in regular intercourse is also "retarded."

It's a poor attempt to abuse definitions (thus, troll).

futuredoc85 08-21-2007 06:14 PM

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also jay, i dont really have a problem w/ anything you've said in the thread, since it seems to mostly be good-natured kidding w/ kolo, and you havent been an obscenely ignorant bigot like H.M., or a moron like UAT


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