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Ansky 11-30-2007 04:18 AM

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has he been three betting a normal amount preflop?

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pretty infrequently relatively speaking. Not like absurdly low % but def lower than almost anyone else who plays this high.

irockhoess 11-30-2007 05:01 AM

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if the guy has A10, do you think he c/r the river? id imagine a good amount of players would just call. I dunno i think if i bet its like 4/5th of the pot to rep that you are trying to move him off a split since the Q on the river eliminates the kickers.

thats if you are going to bet...i might just check behind here the first time to get an idea of his reraising ranges.

actually i change the checking thing. i bet. i think if he had a hand that wanted to get paid off by an ace such as a 3 or AQ or whatever, i think he bets river himself.

Apathy 11-30-2007 06:28 AM

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OK. guess we've had enough about the turn.

I bet 3100 on the turn, he thinks for ~10 seconds and calls.

River is a Qs and he checks fairly quckly. ~ 15k effective stacks.

I...

(Remember I do have the ace of spades, so he cannot have Axss.)

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bet 7k or w/e you think will get value here or rep a bluff or w/e... you better get c-raised here or this hand=yawwwnnnn

mperich 11-30-2007 06:32 AM

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wouldnt that make this a 3part hand then apathy?

-Mike

Ansky 11-30-2007 06:35 AM

Re: deeeeep 50-100, 2 part heads up hand.
 
maybe i lied.

or maybe i didnt.

TheWorstPlayer 11-30-2007 11:29 AM

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i'd check the river. not that i dont think you're ahead, but i dont think you're ahead 50% when called.

Daliman 11-30-2007 05:23 PM

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someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian.

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It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do.

Not saying it's the best play, but showing why it can have merit.

That said, I haven't read to second part yet, but it seems like you caught him with his hand in the cookie jar. I'd probably bet and reassess if he raises again, as you have mentioned he can't have had an ace on flop and now picked up FD. Probably a fold if he does raise again given your read on him.


EDIT: I've now read the rest, and while I hate to let people off with a weak ace here, betting like 4500 and folding to a shove is supremely crappy, but if you bet anywhere near pot and he raises you, pretty much both options suck. That said, from your read I probably milk him for the 4500 on river, then cry and fold if he raises me, as I can't imagine for the life of me a guy with this image is going to piss away ~23k trying to shove off an obvious ace, and wouldn't be at all surprised had he backed into a flush with a flop bluff. I'm guessing since you posted this, this hand is more interesting than a standard bet/called/kicked his ace or bet/folded, but trying not to look at it like that.

TheWorstPlayer 11-30-2007 05:27 PM

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someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian.

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It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do.


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bigdaddyyc 11-30-2007 05:31 PM

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i'd check the river. not that i dont think you're ahead, but i dont think you're ahead 50% when called.

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no vbet w/ nutflush?. QQ unlikely, A6 wont check riv, A3 played wierd.

i play ssnl, and would almost always vbet this...wrong??

edit: read this terribly wrong, thx daliman.

Daliman 11-30-2007 05:36 PM

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someone explain why 3balling the flop is even a good play vs this villian.

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It can give you more information about his hand. If he 4-balls, yer probably dead, and you found out for cheaper than calling a turn and river, which if the board bricks off, you pretty much have to do.


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What's the question? That dry a board and we're gonna just assume a mostly ABC player is gonna bluff us off an obv good ace by 4 betting a dry flop? Again, not saying it's the best line, just saying it has it's merits at times.

At least post what the question is, it's not like my statement is that strange, and if you think it is, say why.


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