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Todd Terry 09-12-2007 12:28 PM

Borgata $500 Day 2: Overpair facing flop C/R from UTG limp/call
 
16 left in Borgata $500. Villain is ranked 130th in CardPlayer PoY rankings, I haven't played enough with him to really get a sense of his game. I have 390K to start, Villain has me covered, he's around 500K. We're both in the top 3 in chips. 16th pays like $2800, 1st is $87000. Blinds 4000/8000/1000.

Villain limps UTG. I make it 40K with TT. Folded around to Villain, he calls. Flop: 7d 5d 2c. Villain checks, I bet 50K, Villain makes it 125K. Your action?

GreatKerblini 09-12-2007 01:24 PM

Re: Borgata $500 Day 2: Overpair facing flop C/R from UTG limp/call
 
I think this is one of those hands where its really impossible to comment unless you provide alot more information about the villain and your own image.

Black Aces 518 09-12-2007 01:35 PM

Re: Borgata $500 Day 2: Overpair facing flop C/R from UTG limp/call
 
how often has he limped? how often has he limp/called a 5x raise? I probably make it closer to 32-3500 pre to avoid bloating the pot too bad. As played, with no other info, I probably fold. Decent chance of AA or KK with the limp. No need for him to l/rr, when guaranteed headsup, c/r any flop probably makes him more. If not AA-KK, decent chance of set, or something like AdQd where you aren't in great shape anyway.

JMSlick 09-12-2007 02:08 PM

Re: Borgata $500 Day 2: Overpair facing flop C/R from UTG limp/call
 
Two moves possible imo, depending upon your read, previous hand play etc. etc. Shove or fold. He's probably capable of raising with 2 overcards here, but probably also capable of limping pre-flop with a monster. On balance, I'd probably fold and save my 300K chips for a better spot because even if you read right, shove, and he has 2 overcards, you still aren't a great favorite.

whynot? 09-12-2007 02:39 PM

Re: Borgata $500 Day 2: Overpair facing flop C/R from UTG limp/call
 
I fold here barring a read on villain that he's a lagtard or that you've been overly active

The key here with his move, you're either way behind or only slightly ahead. Barring the above, this is very rarely a smaller overpair or total air imo

NYWalker 09-12-2007 03:24 PM

Re: Borgata $500 Day 2: Overpair facing flop C/R from UTG limp/call
 
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I have 390K to start, Villain has me covered, he's around 500K. We're both in the top 3 in chips. 16th pays like $2800, 1st is $87000. Blinds 4000/8000/1000.

Villain limps UTG. I make it 40K with TT. Folded around to Villain, he calls. Flop: 7d 5d 2c. Villain checks, I bet 50K, Villain makes it 125K. Your action?

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all-in.

You underbet the flop doesn't rep over pair. He could bet on a draw here but seldom check a set. He thought you miss the flop and c/r you off the hand.

Black Aces 518 09-12-2007 04:00 PM

Re: Borgata $500 Day 2: Overpair facing flop C/R from UTG limp/call
 
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I have 390K to start, Villain has me covered, he's around 500K. We're both in the top 3 in chips. 16th pays like $2800, 1st is $87000. Blinds 4000/8000/1000.

Villain limps UTG. I make it 40K with TT. Folded around to Villain, he calls. Flop: 7d 5d 2c. Villain checks, I bet 50K, Villain makes it 125K. Your action?

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all-in.

You underbet the flop doesn't rep over pair. He could bet on a draw here but seldom check a set. He thought you miss the flop and c/r you off the hand.

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NYW, what range is he limp/calling a 5x raise UTG? Keep in mind it's over 10% of your stack.

nath 09-12-2007 05:14 PM

Re: Borgata $500 Day 2: Overpair facing flop C/R from UTG limp/call
 
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NYW, what range is he limp/calling a 5x raise UTG? Keep in mind it's over 10% of your stack.

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don't assume your opponent notices things like this.

Todd, do you have the Td? (It probably doesn't matter, but it might.) Either way I think "not folding" is the best option.

Black Aces 518 09-12-2007 05:25 PM

Re: Borgata $500 Day 2: Overpair facing flop C/R from UTG limp/call
 
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NYW, what range is he limp/calling a 5x raise UTG? Keep in mind it's over 10% of your stack.

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don't assume your opponent notices things like this.

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Generally, I agree, but "Villain is ranked 130th in CardPlayer PoY rankings", while not conclusive, at least indicates that he's not completely retarded and prone to limp/calling 5x raises UTG with J9o or what have you.

Edit to add: You're in the ATX now? For how long?

adanthar 09-12-2007 05:51 PM

Re: Borgata $500 Day 2: Overpair facing flop C/R from UTG limp/call
 
I hate every decision you've made in this hand so far, but once you play it this way go ahead and shove.


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