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UATrewqaz 11-27-2007 12:35 AM

Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsN...=22&sp=true

Recent poll shows her trailing head to head against all 5 top republican possibilities.

Also polls have shown Obama equalling or passing her in Iowa and gaining in New Hampshire.

Speculation as to the reason(s)?

Also what will her response be? Do nothing and hope it's just an anomaly? Come out swinging at Obama? The whole gender card issue does not really seem to play very well so I don't see her pushing that much.

I predict a full mainstream media Clinton lovefest in the next few months leading up to the primaries. Seems like every major news outlet is infested with former Clinton crew.

Also of interest, the polls show Edwards or Obama ahead of all the Republicans.

ConstantineX 11-27-2007 12:42 AM

Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...
 
She's in a real bind because of her policy positions on issues that liberals love. Even reliable liberal pundits feel free to grumble about her, because on their two biggest issues this election, universal health care and the War in Iraq, she's really lukewarm and little changed from the Republicans. Paul Krugman of the New York Times openly worried that she'd be influenced by corporates.

Maybe with the Republicans looking as fractured as they do now party hardliners think they can "gamble" with an Obama or Edwards nomination. Clinton by far has the best campaign staff, tough and hardened. But it seems that even the tacticians are worried about her lukewarm reaction from the base.

NickMPK 11-27-2007 12:49 AM

Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...
 
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http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsN...=22&sp=true

Recent poll shows her trailing head to head against all 5 top republican possibilities.

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Note that the Zogby poll showing Hillary losing to all GOP challengers is an internet poll that does not use what would generally be accepted as a random sample. All the most recent telephone polls (including a new Gallup poll released the same day as this one) show Hillary slightly ahead of the GOP candidates.

Zogby has been experimenting with internet poll methods for the past couple of cycles. Thus far, they have performed very poorly. That's not to say that internet polling is futile. There is a lot of research current being conducted on internet survey methodology. But it's not there yet.

adanthar 11-27-2007 12:51 AM

Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...
 
Her strategy has always been to paint herself as the inevitable candidate. It would have worked if not for a)Obama raising too much money, and b)that debate. Now it's a horse race, and since comparatively few people actually *like* her, she's in real trouble unless Obama does something really dumb in the next six weeks.

maxtower 11-27-2007 03:14 AM

Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...
 
Hillary is terrible. No wonder she is tanking. If anyone thinks for half a second about her, they'll realize that she caters to the corporations.
She isn't liberal enough for Democrats to like her, and obviously no Republican will vote for her. Theres only so many independents who can be fooled.

Case Closed 11-27-2007 03:22 AM

Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...
 
Republicans and Democrats should enact a pact to save America by agreeing to not nominate Rudy or Hillary. That way the opposite side it assured not to have to deal with their worst night mare.

Ron Burgundy 11-27-2007 04:06 AM

Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...
 
Looks like the lefties are finally realizing that:

1) Presidential pillow-talk does not equal policy-making experience

2) Eating lunch and smiling for photos with foreign leaders does not equal foreign policy experience

3) It doesn't matter how many times you call Bush a moron if you keep voting with the repubs on foreign policy issues. That's the problem with voting based on politics instead of principle.

There's also The Oprah Factor (chicks dig Oprah, in case you haven't noticed), and potentially the lesbo-affair scandal.

Obama is a sharp dude. Politics aside, I'm beginning to really like his dry sarcasm. He'll destroy Hillary if they ever do a HU4POLLZ debate.

Jeremy517 11-27-2007 04:18 AM

Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...
 
A Hillary nomination would pretty much be the worst possible outcome for Democrats. She can't win the general election, and it would guarantee a huge Republican turnout, since so many would vote just to vote against her. A high Republican turnout would mean that all close Senate and House races would go to the Republican candidate, and some races where the Democrat had a slight lead would now be a coin flip.

Democrats should be rooting against her in the primary, even if they agree with her on the most issues, and Republicans should root for her in the primary, even if they despise her.

Max Raker 11-27-2007 04:37 AM

Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...
 
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A Hillary nomination would pretty much be the worst possible outcome for Democrats. She can't win the general election, and it would guarantee a huge Republican turnout, since so many would vote just to vote against her.

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If you really believe this I would be happy to put 5k at 2:1 on Hillary winning the presidency if she gets the nomination.

AbreuTime 11-27-2007 11:26 AM

Re: Hillary\'s poll numbers tanking...
 
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If you really believe this I would be happy to put 5k at 2:1 on Hillary winning the presidency if she gets the nomination.

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Don't be a nit. He's making a prediction, that she wouldn't win. Besides, why bet with a rando on the internets when he can get better odds just about anywhere else.

Interesting catch on the internet voting. The article said
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The poll of 9,355 people had a margin of error of plus or minus one percentage point. The interactive poll surveys individuals who have registered to take part in online polls.

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So the margin of error is 1 percent, but it's unclear how they found the random sample of people willing to partake in the poll. It seems that people willing to do an online poll would be younger than the general voting populace, but I would hope there is some sampling adjustment. These internet polls were off/wrong in past elections?


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