full ring 10/20 - call push preflop with JJ?
 

Poker Stars, $10/$20 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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Hero (BTN): $2,077
SB: $1,980
BB: $842.20
UTG: $380
UTG+1: $2,164
MP1: $1,227
MP2: $1,807
CO: $1,940

Pre-Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
3 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $60</font>, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $180</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">MP2 raises to $1,807 and is All-In</font>, it's 1627 to me.

i need to be 44.7% to win to make it 0EV.

fwiw, if villain pushes QQ+, AK then i'm 36.2%. if he pushes AK and QQ i'm 45.8%. if he also pushes some weak hands periodically then my numbers go up quickly.

villain is basically unknown, playing for 20 hands with non-nitty stats (but nothing too out of line). he should not know me unless he datamines.

if this were 6max, villain would be "MP" (1 off CO). i haven't played much full ring at all. in theory CO-1 vs button should be the same whether there are 5, 6, or 15 players (except for the fact that the EP players who folded are slightly less likely to be folding aces, so there are slightly more in the deck).

does it actually play that way? or do full ring players play nittier than 6max in (for example) CO-1 vs button? is this guy ever going to show up with AQ-/TT-?

Re: full ring 10/20 - call push preflop with JJ?
 

My full ring experience with online full ring games dates back to Party days but this is a pretty routine call - you'll be flipping the vast majority of the time, you'll be dominated very, very rarely - because people basically don't 4bet shove AA-QQ unless there's a lot of history often - and you'll be ahead some of the time. Standard call.

Kirk

Re: full ring 10/20 - call push preflop with JJ?
 

this is a fold against most people at 10/20 FR

Re: full ring 10/20 - call push preflop with JJ?
 

I wouldn't call in this game readless

Re: full ring 10/20 - call push preflop with JJ?
 

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this is a fold against most people at 10/20 FR

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would you say it's different than if it were 6max CO-1 vs button?

Re: full ring 10/20 - call push preflop with JJ?
 

this is a fold, and I think flatting is superior pf