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n4rf 11-04-2007 07:38 PM

I have a very hard time folding to minraises
 
I know that it's very situational, but whenever I am minraised from a villain, I find it much harder for me to fold unless I'm holding complete air. Let's say I hit mid-pair or top pair [censored] kicker on the flop and I C-bet it out, and villain minraises me. Am I always going to fold this?
I find it weak if I'm going to fold to a minraise every time if I'm unsure if I have the best hand.

Also, when it's a short stack doing it I find it even harder since most of the time I have the notion that shortstacks are complete donks (unless they have VERY VERY tight stats).

So what the [censored] is the deal with minraises?

Profish2285 11-04-2007 07:40 PM

Re: I have a very hard time folding to minraises
 
I have a similar problem but today I got taught a lesson a few times actually. I would flop tpgk, c-bet and get min raised and obviously call (first mistake). Then I would continue on the turn and call a big turn bet (second mistake). I think in general I have to learn to start folding my one pair hands to unknowns on dry boards for a min c/r.

n4rf 11-04-2007 07:43 PM

Re: I have a very hard time folding to minraises
 
I definitely agree with you that if I face big resistance on the turn, it's probably best to let the hand go.

HOWEVER, I think it's inevitable to be facing a bigger turn bet if you plan on calling the min raise and checking the turn. I can't really see a blocking bet being a good idea on the turn since I think it'll get raised most of the time.

The way I see it is that minraising doesn't scream "STRENGTH STRENGTH STRENGTH" but at the same time it's not a big enough bet for someone to bluff with.

Profish2285 11-04-2007 07:45 PM

Re: I have a very hard time folding to minraises
 
No, Im not talking about the turn, the main point here is the flop. I know how to play turns against raises, but I just dont give people credit on flops for some reason. I have to give more credit to min c/r but Im not sure about min raises. Like if I am MP and bet, and get min raised by the CO. I think thats a different situation just because a c/r in general is so much stronger than a plain raise, but Im still a little lost honestly.

Hebel 11-04-2007 07:48 PM

Re: I have a very hard time folding to minraises
 
the problem is that in my experience a minraise can either mean monster or air.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($11.05)
BB ($10)
UTG ($15.45)
MP ($3)
Hero ($9.90)
Button ($9.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.45</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP calls $0.35.

Flop: ($1.05) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, MP calls $1.05 (All-In).

Turn: ($7.60) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>
.

River: ($7.60) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $7.60

Results
MP has 2s 7s (two pair, sevens and twos).
Hero has Td Tc (one pair, tens).
Outcome: MP wins $6.15. Hero wins $1.45.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($9.20)
Hero ($13.95)
BB ($12.15)
UTG ($19.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.45</font>, BB calls $0.35, Button folds.

Flop: ($1) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $0.65</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $1.3</font>, Hero calls $0.65.

Turn: ($3.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1.6</font>, Hero calls $1.60.

River: ($6.80) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, BB calls $2.

Final Pot: $10.80

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villain shows AQ

minraises can mean so many different things. I always take a note on what a villain minraises with

Micro Donk 11-04-2007 07:49 PM

Re: I have a very hard time folding to minraises
 
thats where reads come in, like you said.

i fold to the minraises with weaker hands until i know what hes doing it with

Profish2285 11-04-2007 08:01 PM

Re: I have a very hard time folding to minraises
 
In general against an unknown, what does everyone do against a min raise with tpgk. I think I have finally realized that if I get min c/r I can fold, but still unsure about min raised.

Hebel 11-04-2007 08:05 PM

Re: I have a very hard time folding to minraises
 
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In general against an unknown, what does everyone do against a min raise with tpgk. I think I have finally realized that if I get min c/r I can fold, but still unsure about min raised.

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totally player dependent. See hand 1

Profish2285 11-04-2007 08:05 PM

Re: I have a very hard time folding to minraises
 
UNKNOWN

SkeetyMcdoogle 11-04-2007 08:07 PM

Re: I have a very hard time folding to minraises
 
check insta-minraise = monkey tilt


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