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CyberMuppet 12-01-2007 04:29 PM

[50 NL] KK, Villain shoves turn scare card
 
Villain is 32/4/0.5 over 200 hands, but seems to be reasonable. Hasn't been out of line much. I have been very active and is running around 25/22/2.

Call this shove?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (5 handed) Party Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($100.68)
Hero ($97.63)
MP ($40.72)
Button ($32.62)
SB ($55.49)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls $0.5, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.5, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls $9.

Flop: ($25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $25</font>, BB calls $25.

Turn: ($75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB raises $63.68 (All-In), Hero ???

Reason for limp/reraise is that button was playing around 67/40/0.5, so I hoped I could play a big pot with him.

doppelganger 12-01-2007 04:38 PM

Re: [50 NL] KK, Villain shoves turn scare card
 
I think it's a set of jacks/tens or AQs more often than a bluff, but I suppose AsKx or AsAx might play the turn this way on a semibluff.

This deep I think it's probably a fold unfortunately.

ickismang 12-01-2007 06:13 PM

Re: [50 NL] KK, Villain shoves turn scare card
 
i agree, with villian playing OOP you have to put him on a semi bluff flush draw after the flop or JJ TT, i dont think he would mess around in the position unless he knew he was holding the nuts.

The Reese 12-01-2007 07:03 PM

Re: [50 NL] KK, Villain shoves turn scare card
 
If this is a set I wonder why villain wouldn't have shoved or c/r'd this on flop. Cold call and then shove just seems like a strage line. Could be a made flush especially with his numbers. I also believe that AsJx is not out of the questions. This is a tough spot that I probably fold crying. It's closer than you think though look at these numbers and check villains range, again I didn't include sets in the range just doesn't seem possible.

8,910 games 0.410 secs 21,731 games/sec

Board: 3h Ts Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.990% 43.84% 00.15% 3906 13.50 { KdKh }
Hand 1: 56.010% 55.86% 00.15% 4977 13.50 { AcAs, AdAs, AhAs, AsKs, AsQs, KsQs, AsJc, AsJd, AsJh }

CyberMuppet 12-01-2007 08:44 PM

Re: [50 NL] KK, Villain shoves turn scare card
 
I reasoned as follows:

By limp-reraise I've pretty much told him what range I am in (something like QQ+, AK, or complete air) so when he calls I put him either on a pretty high pair himself (99+, maybe AK, AQ. Don't really think he would play AJ here).

When he calls my flop bet he could either have something like AQs or a set. I don't really see anything else here, except maybe QQ+, so when he shoves turn I put him on a set which got nervous I might draw out if the 4th spade hits and he doesn't have one, or a made flush.

Is there anything else I should account for here or something I've missed?


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