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Farnsworth: "Dear Lord! That's over one hundred and fifty athmospheres of pressure."
Fry: "How many athmospheres can the ship withstand?"
Farnsworth: "Well, it's a space ship. So I'd say anywhere between zero and one."

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Well I learned something new. I read Wiki on P vs. NP until this sentence:



Then my head started to hurt and I had to lie down.

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Don't feel bad, I googled it, opened the wiki page and then died a little inside when i didn't understand wtf they were talking about.

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Just saw these questions. If I answer it with a thread it will get moved to SMP and you won't see it. So, since 2 people asked, and it's in Futurama, and I'm sure this thread will return to Futurama, and it might come up again, I'll elaborate a little. There's nothing head exploding about P vs NP. To understand it, you need to understand what we mean by "complexity class" when we say complexity class P.

A complexity class gives a bound on how many steps a program needs to solve a type of problem. (Formally, when we say "program" we mean a specific type of program called a Turing Machine, but we'll ignore that and say that the program is just a regular program on your computer). Let's look at a problem like the clock game on "The Price Is Right". Say I pick a number from 1 to 100, you make a guess, and I say "higher" or "lower", and you guess again. How many guesses do you need? Your first guess is 50, then 25, etc, so it turns out you only need something like log(100) guesses. For the generic problem, replacing 100 by n, you would need log(n) guesses.

Similarly, scanning a nxn grid can be said to take on the order of n^2 steps.

We say that a problem is a member of Complexity Class P if we can express the number of steps we need to get to a solution as bounded by some polynomial. Seems pretty powerful, right? But lots of problems can't be bounded even by a polynomial. Take cards. The combination of cards in the deck is 52x51x50x49x48... . Suppose that instead of a 52 card deck we used an n-card deck. Then the number of cards that could come out would be something similar to 2^n. So considering every possible card sequence is not in P (for an n-card deck).

Now let's look at a different problem, subset-sum. The problem is this: Given a set of n numbers, does any subset add up to zero? You can see intuitively that this problem isn't in P, in order to say "No", you'd need to take every number, then every second number, etc. Thus, you'd need to check 2^n combinations before saying "No".

But let's define a special type of program that might be able to do this quick. We call this program Nondeterministic. There are a few ways to view this type of program. One is that it is a program that always makes lucky guesses. Given the subset sum, it always guesses the first number correctly, then the 2nd number, etc. A more conventional way of viewing a Nondeterministic Program, is that at each step it spawns as many new programs as it wants, and each program makes its own guess. The program finishes when these spawned programs can give a conclusive answer. Now, it is easy to see that Subset Sum can be solved in a polynommial amount of time with this super spawning program? We call this type of problem NP.

It turns out there are a lot of NP problems. Furthermore, it turns out that they are all interchangable, if I can write a program to solve one in a polynomial amount of time, I can solve them all. For instance, if I were clever enough, I could probably turn some card game into Subset Sum, solve the Subset Sum problem, and convert the solution back to a card solution.

Believe it or not, though, nobody has proved for sure that the NP problems are not solvable in a polynomial amount of time! Thus, we are left with the question, does P = NP? As you can see from above, it sure seems likely that they are not equal, but we can't prove it.

To anyone who has read this far, and did not know the concepts, I hope this helped. To anyone already familiar with this, if I made a mistake feel free to correct.

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Just as sort of an addendum to disjunction's post:

the "joke" in the ep of futurama (its the one where Fry has his head on Amy's body) revolves around the implications for the past 1000 years.


Basically, the P=NP? problem is one of the most important theory problems in the world today (the CMI has offered 1mil to anyone who solves it). Its not immediately obvious, but moving all those problems into P is likely to be worth a TON of money in efficiency.

Evidently, in the future, they have not only solved the problem that P does, in fact, not equal NP, but are able to file the problems into two binders and put them on the shelf. Basically, the joke is that such a monumental problem has been reduced to nothing of note over time.

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Bender's Big Score has been leaked online, for those knowledgeable and unscrupulous enough to take advantage

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I steal mostly everything online, but I am buying this.

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Just watched this today. [censored] amazing. I already want to watch it again.

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Now for more of Everyone loves Hypnotoad....

Awesome movie!

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really really awesome.

Def. written with a ton of callbacks for the observant fan, but w/ a really fun story for the casual fan.

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I steal mostly everything online, but I am buying this.

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QFT. Im stealing it right now. But I'll buy a copy when it comes out and likely 3 or 4 more as christmas gifts

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wow I thought this was surpremely disappointing. Spoilers

<font color="white">The jokes were flat, the A storyline was pretty dumb, the space battle was dumb, etc etc. Only thing nice about it was the production values. I can't believe they "retconned out" fry/leela in regards to devil hand's. In the end the movie ends with nothing changed just like a normal episode of the show, other than maybe "oh nibbler can talk" except of course his race magically turned from being a bunch of cute asskickers to a race of things that can't beat guys with chairs with their spaceships. Really unfortunate. </font>

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I believe it's the one where bender gets lost in space and the little universe grows on him. Fry goes to some woman (forget) who says some quote like "Have you heard of the sacred order of the Monks of XXXXXX" (who are actively searching the universe for God).

Fry's response "I've not heard of them". (Like - at least that's somehing, right?)

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Also my favorite quote. I yearn for opportunities to use it in real life.

The prior line is: "Have you heard of the God's Eye Dashuva? (sp?)"

Then one the other great, great Futurama quotes follows later in the episode: "This is without a doubt the least likely thing that has ever happened"

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Why is there no Region 2 release date?

wtf

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wow amazing. my favorite quote in the movie:

<font color="white">"Finally, I can save the earth with deadly lazers instead of deadly slide shows" </font>

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I believe it's the one where bender gets lost in space and the little universe grows on him. Fry goes to some woman (forget) who says some quote like "Have you heard of the sacred order of the Monks of XXXXXX" (who are actively searching the universe for God).

Fry's response "I've not heard of them". (Like - at least that's somehing, right?)

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I watched this episode again two days ago - my fav. quote was when Bender and God are talking about doing things without others noticing

God: Bender, being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you. And if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch, like a safecracker or a pickpocket.
Bender: Or a guy who burns down a bar for the insurance money.
God: Yes, if he makes it look like an electrical thing. If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all. -----

pure gold [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

RB

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really really awesome.

Def. written with a ton of callbacks for the observant fan, but w/ a really fun story for the casual fan.

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Ugh, I really hate it when a show is just cruising off their old jokes. Basically how family guy was when it came out. Hopefully the callbacks aren't so obtrusive.

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Yeah, this was pretty terrible. Just a non-stop barrage of fanservice(and very little of that being subtle nods, most of it was broad "DO YOU REMEMBER THE EPISODE WITH THE MOBSTERS!?!?! HOW ABOUT THAT TIME WE HAD AL GORE?!?!?! ALSO ROBOT SANTA!!!!!" Please stop congratulating me for watching your show.) with little to no funny. The plot was lazy and lame, very few of the one-off jokes seemed fresh(East Coast/West Coast rap jokes have been dated since what, 1999?), and it was really obvious that they were planning on cutting it into episodes in the future by the way subplots were introduced and resolved.

Zoidberg was gold as always("Yes... Now."), but even the big reveal seemed like a rehash of a previous big reveal.

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most of it was broad "DO YOU REMEMBER THE EPISODE WITH THE MOBSTERS!?!?! HOW ABOUT THAT TIME WE HAD AL GORE?!?!?! ALSO ROBOT SANTA!!!!!" Please stop congratulating me for watching your show.

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All of these eps had, at some point, already been called back within the run of the show.

Im not saying that makes them good, but, those types of references are pretty standard for the show.

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There is a difference between an isolated callback as one joke and 90 minutes of constant references to itself.

Futurama is generally not reference-to-itself humor. I would watch Family Guy if I wanted that.

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Perhaps we'll just agree to disagree, but, ignoring the first few minutes of Fox jokes, I would imagine this was roughly on par w/ roswell that ends well wrt to callbacks/self-ref / minute.

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I'll agree to nothing of the sort

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I think all the references were well called for considering a new episode hasn't been made for years, and I think they only made the episode to that effect considering that they expected the hardcore fans to want something of that sort. I liked the episode, but I agree, if it doesn't go back to what it was it likely won't be part of that greatness.

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CMI, to gain a reference point, what did you think of the return of Family Guy?

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I dont think Ive watched it since it came back on; maybe 1 ep. I dont really think its that funny of a show, though some of the eps from like s2 are quite good on the first watch, with little rewatch value.

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**** probably some spoilers below, not really sure what the topic rules are in this thread, since we are already kinda posting plot points ****



also, just as sort of an overall thought on this dialogue, it appears we are sort of putting callback points in the same category as self reference type jokes, but obv they are different.

Obviously, the first few minutes has a LOT of self reference wrt to being cancelled, which I thought was funny, but I can see it if its not your thing (esp. since that specific type of humour hasnt really been in the show before).


But, Fly, Im a little confused as to what your complaints are, as to, say, the mobsters or robot santa. Futurama is full of characters that appear in like 4-10 eps, either in big or small roles, I just dont see why bringing them back is a problem.

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I liked it. Don't think it was great as some of the better episodes, but when you consider South Park and Simpsons declining quality, it really makes you appreciate this

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"Futurama is full of characters that appear in like 4-10 eps, either in big or small roles, I just dont see why bringing them back is a problem."

It's that they are ALL back. Not some of them, every single one, and the joke is pretty much "Look, it's those guys you may remember"!

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Well since they've referenced every single episode, perhaps the next three movies will just be full of new jokes

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That is my hope and that is encouraging how they sort of tone it down with the end primarily concerning itself with a cameo-free subplot.

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That is exactly how family guy started back up again, and none of the new episodes are even worth watching. I give the futurama writers more slack though. I am now on the fence as to whether to buy it.

Edit: I prefer shows of the genre: world's blankiest blank.

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One thing that I did find disappointing that's already been mentioned here is that it seemingly completely left out the final episode, the Fry/Leela relationship is as stuck as ever at the start of the movie, and Leela goes on the date without a second thought to Fry.
I know the ending seems to kind of twist this around, I still found it sort of irritating

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It's that they are ALL back. Not some of them, every single one, and the joke is pretty much "Look, it's those guys you may remember"!

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Off the top of my head, I would say Crimes of the Hot almost certainly packs in more recurring characters/min than the movie, and 300 big boys might too. Though, I would def. agree there is a different "feel" to the reoccurances here.


Out of curiostity, what are your thoughts re: 300 big boys, or 22 short films about springfield? (Im not saying they are the same, Im just curious)

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IMO 22 short films about springfield is a classic, top ten episode of that show and 300 big boys is merely a solid one.

I kind of have high hopes for the rest of the dvd movies now that this one is out of the way to be honest, I'm thinking that the gratuitous fanwanking is over and the rest will be pretty good. I hope.

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I liked how many recurring characters there were. I have absolutely no problem with the first movie having such grand fanwanking. However, if they do it again I will be disappointed. Like when Family Guy came back I loved seeing Ollie the Weather Guy, the old Pervert, and the evil monkey. However when Family Guy kept including them every other show I got sick of Family Guy.

One of the great things about Futurama is that there were new interesting characters almost every show. Hopefully they have new characters in store for the next movie. Yes this movie did have some new aliens, but they weren't really that interesting.

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I enjoyed this more than I thought I would. I liked the Fox thing at the beginning but after that the next twenty or so minutes seemed very contrived and the jokes forced. There were plenty of jokes that just fell completely flat on their faces and I was a little worried. However, after a while it seemed like it started to pick up and, while there were some scenes that went on far too long, I felt that they allowed the characters to be flow better and be funnier in the second half, much the same way the old futurama used to.

Overall, I think this will turn out better than the return of Family Guy and am quite looking forward to more episodes.

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When this is turned into 4 episodes I think it's pretty clear the first will be the worst one (although the extended opening was really great).

I enjoyed the call backs, but agree that they should be done with them now.

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<font color="white">- I really didn't like the first song, but the second one in Santa's workshop was really great (Kwanzaa Bot was amazing).
- fav quote: "You haven't seen the last of Barbados Slim! Now goodbye forever!" </font>

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Yeah I thought the second song was sensational, Coolio was freaking awesome as Kwanzaa Bot

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I thought it was pretty funny

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In the 75th percentile compared to all the episodes I think. It doesn't compare to the best episodes but was better than average and certainly infinitely better than Kif Gets Knocked Up a Notch

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I thought it was good, people had really high expectations and this show isn't at it's best when using long plot arcs. It wasn't as self referential as everyone is making it out to be this was the equivalent of six episodes if you were to randomly pick six episodes you would probably get a similar amount of references.

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I just watched it and thought it was weak throughout. Not because it was too self referential, because I usually enjoy that kind of stuff. I thought the jokes were flat, the lines weren't snappy.

If the battle scene had been done in the original Futurama it would have lasted less than 10 seconds, had one really memorable line, and everyone would have thought it was hilarious and wanted more. It would have been better if they had cut down this "film" into one extended episode, 40 minutes or so.