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1) The Ohio State

2) South Florida

3) BC

4) LSU

5) Oklahoma

LSU only drops 3 spots after losing to now #7 Kentucky. #13 Kansas ahead of #14 USC. I'm sure this will start PLENTY of debate, so let's have it.

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#8 and steadily climbing...Go Devils!!!

(No rank to #25 to #18 to #14 to #8..next week #4 is my prediction)

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1) The Ohio State

2) South Florida

3) BC

4) LSU

5) Oklahoma

LSU only drops 3 spots after losing to now #7 Kentucky. #13 Kansas ahead of #14 USC. I'm sure this will start PLENTY of debate, so let's have it.

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I think most people will agree with LSU in top 5. I think its a pretty solid top 5 for the moment.

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Interesting that 3 SEC teams are ahead of Ohio State in the computers.

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I think the BCS got one right. For once.

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I think USF and BC are a little overrated still, but I can't complain too much because they'll either plummet when they meet my expectations by losing, or else they'll justify their ranking to me while proving me wrong.

The only thing I *really* can't buy into is West Virginia being in the top 10... how are they possibly ahead of Oregon???

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Interesting that 3 SEC teams are ahead of Ohio State in the computers.

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SoS weighted heavily I assume.

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I think most people will agree with LSU in top 5. I think its a pretty solid top 5 for the moment.

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Mostly I agree. I think I would slide South Carolina up slot or two, but otherwise the top ten looks pretty reasonable. The top two look right, for no other reason than that I don't see anyone else that has done nearly as well as USF or Ohio State (BC was pretty meh against UMass and for parts of the Notre Dame Game too).

What I will say is this: holy crap at the computers putting South Florida at #1, and holy crap at them being wrong by no more than two slots, probably one, and possibly none. I don't recall anyone talking about them more than five or six weeks ago.

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Interesting that 3 SEC teams are ahead of Ohio State in the computers.

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SoS weighted heavily I assume.

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Margin of victory isn't weighted at all. A 1 point win against FAU is just as good as a 42 point win against Kent State.

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I think BC will probably jump USF eventually if they win out. Be interesting to see how much they move up if they beat VT this weekend. What do you guys think?

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Margin of victory isn't weighted at all. A 1 point win against FAU is just as good as a 42 point win against Kent State.

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Did it occur to you that margin of victory is weighted less to discourage teams from beating up on cupcakes all season to go undefeated? SoS should be and should have always been 1000x more important than margin of victory. I don't think anyone really thinks USF is better than tOSU, but their ranking is a reward for 2 victories against very tough teams.

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Margin of victory isn't weighted at all. A 1 point win against FAU is just as good as a 42 point win against Kent State.

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Did it occur to you that margin of victory is weighted less to discourage teams from beating up on cupcakes all season to go undefeated? SoS should be and should have always been 1000x more important than margin of victory. I don't think anyone really thinks USF is better than tOSU, but their ranking is a reward for 2 victories against very tough teams.

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Margin of victory isn't weighted less, it isn't allowed to be used in the computer polls. The theory behind it is as you say, to prevent blowouts, but this is stupid. The very smart people who write these computer polls know how to intelligently take margin of victory into account, which is why people like sagarin have multiple ratings, the one they use for the BCS and their regular one that uses more available information.

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Margin of victory isn't weighted at all. A 1 point win against FAU is just as good as a 42 point win against Kent State.

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Did it occur to you that margin of victory is weighted less to discourage teams from beating up on cupcakes all season to go undefeated? SoS should be and should have always been 1000x more important than margin of victory. I don't think anyone really thinks USF is better than tOSU, but their ranking is a reward for 2 victories against very tough teams.

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1000x more important with what? Which computer predictor is more accurate in determining what teams will win next week? Sagarin Predictor, or ELO-CHESS? If you really are stupid enough to believe that the "unbiased" ELO-CHESS is a better predictor of skill than one that accounts for margin of victory, I'd be happy to make bets soley on these tools against you next week.

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What are the CPU (only) rankings?

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What are the CPU (only) rankings?

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South Florida is not only on top of the computer rankings, but they're on top by a lot. If they make it to #2 in the human polls, they should take #1 overall.

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What are the CPU (only) rankings?

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I can only find some of the individual polls, but the composite computer top 15 is:

South Florida
LSU
South Carolina
Kentucky
Arizona State/Ohio State (tie)
Boston College
Virginia Tech/Kansas (tie)
West Virginia
Oklahoma
Auburn
Oregon
Cal/Virginia (tie)

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But none of those are allowed to consider margin. The Sagarin predictor has USF 7, Oklahoma is 1, OSU 2, Oregon 3.

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Margin of victory isn't weighted at all. A 1 point win against FAU is just as good as a 42 point win against Kent State.

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Did it occur to you that margin of victory is weighted less to discourage teams from beating up on cupcakes all season to go undefeated? SoS should be and should have always been 1000x more important than margin of victory. I don't think anyone really thinks USF is better than tOSU, but their ranking is a reward for 2 victories against very tough teams.

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Margin of victory isn't weighted less, it isn't allowed to be used in the computer polls. The theory behind it is as you say, to prevent blowouts, but this is stupid. The very smart people who write these computer polls know how to intelligently take margin of victory into account, which is why people like sagarin have multiple ratings, the one they use for the BCS and their regular one that uses more available information.

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Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I said SoS is weighted so as to encourage schools to play decent competition rather than scheduling cupcakes all year - I never said anything about preventing blowouts and running up the score; I know that was the reason many were calling for the abolition of margin of victory, but it is not the reason why I think it's an absolutely retarded method of figuring the best team.

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Margin of victory isn't weighted at all. A 1 point win against FAU is just as good as a 42 point win against Kent State.

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Did it occur to you that margin of victory is weighted less to discourage teams from beating up on cupcakes all season to go undefeated? SoS should be and should have always been 1000x more important than margin of victory. I don't think anyone really thinks USF is better than tOSU, but their ranking is a reward for 2 victories against very tough teams.

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1000x more important with what? Which computer predictor is more accurate in determining what teams will win next week? Sagarin Predictor, or ELO-CHESS? If you really are stupid enough to believe that the "unbiased" ELO-CHESS is a better predictor of skill than one that accounts for margin of victory, I'd be happy to make bets soley on these tools against you next week.

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Point out wherever I said margin of victory should absolutely not be used as a predictor. It should be factored in somehow, but there's no way it should be nearly as important as SoS - it's like you're trying to tell me a team can schedule 1 ranked opponent, win by 10, then beat nothing but mediocre teams by 30 and claim to be a better team than one who plays top-50 competition each week and wins by 3.

Clearly margin has to be accounted for to separate that latter team from one who also plays good teams and beats the piss out of them. It would take an absolute retard to completely disregard margin of victory; I am not that person.

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Are you drunk?

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RB has OSU #1 and Michigan #10. lol

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I think it's interesting to look at the difference between the human polls and the computers.

Here is a list taking USA Today minus the computer average. So negative means that the coaches poll has the team that many spots better than the computer average whereas positive means that the USA Today poll ranks that team that many spots lower than the computer average.

Virginia 9.5
Kentucky 9
Auburn 7
Arizona State 6.5
Kansas 6.5
South Carolina 5
Tennessee 4.5
LSU 3
Virginia Tech 2.5
South Florida 2
Michigan 2
Missouri 1
Georgia 1
Cincinnati 1
West Virginia -3
Florida -3.5
Ohio State -4.5
Boston College -5
Texas Tech -5*
California -5.5
Oklahoma -7
Oregon -7
Texas -8*
Hawaii -9
USC -14

* Texas and Texas Tech aren't rated by the computers so I assumed a ranking of 26th. Therefore, the above gives the minimum negative difference.

Speaking generally, the Pac 10 seems to be rated significantly higher by people than the formulas while the opposite is true for the SEC. It's interesting that of the 25 teams only 5 were within 2 spots.

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It would take an absolute retard or the BCS to completely disregard margin of victory; I am not that person.

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O-H
I-O

Ship the money.

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It would take an absolute retard to completely disregard margin of victory; I am not that person.

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I don't want to call you retarded, but....

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SoS should be and should have always been 1000x more important than margin of victory.

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