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TxRedMan 03-05-2007 01:38 AM

Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG**
 
I wasn't kidding when I said I reccomend muscle milk, and i'm also going to really gear down and lose another 10 pounds in the next 6 weeks, i'm really close to having abs again:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c210/TxRedMan/235.jpg

here's a shot of what i'm taking:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c210/TxRedMan/238.jpg




This is the third time I've tried to do this thread. I cannot begin to tell you how frustrating it is to type out an hour long thread only to have the software not accept it when I hit submit, reaching a page that says 'form is no longer valid', presumably b/c these forums have some sort of time length in place for how long you can take to create a post. Please fix this, it's a terrible software error.

That aside, I'm going to give you guys a lot of information in this thread. A lot of you have PM'd me, and I copied and pasted your ?'s into the first thread but I'm too lazy to do it again, so anyone who wants to ask specific questions can feel free to do so in this thread. Please read the entire thread first. I'm not going to answer ?'s like 'how can i gain 15 lbs of muscle fast?' or 'i want to lose 20 LBS, what's best?'. If you have a mundane question read this thread or any of the other fitness threads that have been done in OOT, or make yourself familiar with google. However, if you have a ? that is specific to weight lifting, dieting, or the overall lifestyle, feel free to ask.

E.G.'s 'why pause reps for bench press?' or 'proteins before bed/during the middle of the night, why?' or 'how do i avoid burnout' etc.

The advice I will give in this thread comes from personal experience. I've had my knowledge on these subjects doubted and ridiculed by a few posters here because of one specific reccomendation I made regarding one specific lift, but I'm the only one who's shown myself and my abilities, and my advice is solid even when it differs from what an undocumented self proclaimed authority might otherwise like you to believe. The bottom line is that I'm going to share with you what I have seen work in my eight years of training, body building, powerlifting, dieting, and learning how the body works and responds.

I'd like to start by saying the following:

Steroids are for trained individuals who have tremendous self discipline and who wish to push their bodies past their natural genetic abilities in muscular development. I would estimate that 90% of the guys I know who have taken steroids do not look like they ever did, and ultimately wasted their time, money, and compromised their health because of non-education, lazy work ethics, and an attitude that the drugs would do the work for them. I first started using steroids when I was about to turn 18, 2 years into serious training, and although I was educated, I was nowhere near my natural genetic potential.

Now then.

Let's talk about lifting weights. Lifting weights has a lot of societal stigmas attached to it. Maybe there's some women that will read this thread (yo fluffpop), and say what I've heard 100's of women say in the past "i don't wanna get all big and bulky".

This is the second biggest myth about weight lifting. Getting big and bulky comes from eating. I challenge anyone here to attempt to gain weight while in a negative caloric state. The only way you can gain weight, whether it be muscle or fat, is to eat more calories than you burn. On top of that, you gain muscle by the ounce, not by the pound. I tell girls all the time that if they did the same routine that I do (assuming they're of a slim build) that within a years time they would be looking much more like a fitness model with toned legs and a firm stomach, and they wouldn't look a thing like a bodybuilder. It is very very hard to grow muscle tissue. I promise you this. I've spent 8 years lifting weights, half of which I used steroids, and I've added what I estimate to be 35 LBS of true muscle tissue. Please do not avoid lifting weights because you think you'll blow up into some sort of Hulk.

The second biggest myth in weight lifting:

"lift heavy to get big, do reps to get ripped"

When a noob would come into the gym and say this in our circle, we used to give him untold amounts of [censored] forever about this remark.

Folks- again, you cannot 'get big' simply by lifting heavy. The truth in that statement is that lifting heavy in most cases will build more muscle tissue than lifting lighter weights for more reps assuming you eat enough to let your body grow, i.e., you're in a positive caloric state.

Doing reps will not make you ripped unless you're in a negative caloric state, but I'm going to let you in on a little secret, a secret that is fact: your muscles already have shape. Your genetic code made your muscles what they are. You can add new muscle to the existing muscle, but you cannot change the shape of your muscles. Want biceps peaks like Arnolds? Tough [censored]. Want tear drop quads like Branch Warren? Sorry bro.

And furthermore, if you can't see the definition in your muscles, guess what? It's because there's a layer of fat on top of them that obscure and hide the definition that lies beneath.


If you're going to lift weights, you need to lift free weights. Machines have specific purposes, and should be incorporated into your workouts, but free weights should generally consist of 80% of your total sets. Why free weights? Because you get more bang for your buck. Learn perfect form and never stray from it, and you won't get hurt, and you'll develop strength in a lot of supporting muscle groups underneath and around the muscle groups you intend to work.

e.g.- when you're doing incline dumbell bench press with free weights, you have to pick the dumbells up off the rack, walk over to the bench, kick them up onto your knees and then hoist them up to your shoulders to perform the lift. This creates balance, agility, and develops smaller muscle groups as well as the deltoid/pectoral/tricep muscles that do the most of the work during the exercise.

Machines are good for people who have injuries, or people who just want to exercise their muscles while burning some calories, but aren't concerned about real muscle growth. There are some exceptions to this, however, as some machines imitate real movements very well and some allow you to isolate certain muscle groups. But the bulk of your routine needs to consist of bare knuckle lifts with dumbells and barbells.

If you wanted to become better at something, you need to look at everything involved. Let's take bench press for example. If I were to ask most of you what muscle group is responsible for a strong bench press, you'd likely tell me the pectorals. Truth is for most guys, the deltoids and the triceps are responsible for their big bench press, as opposed to just the pecs. The wider the grip you use on bench press, the more the chest becomes involved, and vice versa for the triceps and shoulders. Some people have such dominant shoulders that they take over their chest movements.

A guy who has a strong bench press will have strong shoulders and strong triceps.

I used to really be nuts about bench press. It was my lift. There was no one at the gym who could do more than me raw.

My bench routine used to go like this

135x10
135x10
225x10
315x10
385x5
405x5
455x3
485x1
500 negative
405x3 pause reps
385x3 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
225x8 pause reps

Now, I wouldn't do that routine every time, but I did it often, increasing the poundages as I moved up or down in strength. I'd wait at least two minutes between sets and i'd routinely be on the bench for over an hour. The point is, I focused on bench a lot. You can't do 4 sets of bench press and expect to get real strong at it.

After I did that routine I'd do something like this

incline barbell

135x15
225x10
315x6
225x 5 pause reps
225x 5 pause reps

Dumbell flys

4x12

Then I'd go on to triceps

Narrow grip bench press

225x10 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
315x5 pause reps

Triceps pushdowns
1x12
3x8
1x6

That's how I achieved a 500 LB bench press.

Something to note here, and it applies to all lifters, is that once you acquire "feel", you'll instinctively know what to do in the gym. It takes a long time to learn "feel". By feel I mean how your body reacts, how it recovers, what it needs both nutritionally and physically. It's like being able to listen to your body talk to you. I never sit down and write out a weeks worth of workouts. I used to get workouts from the owner of the gym, but once I had tried just about every exercise I could, and I'd had success and made progress lifting, I just knew what I need to do. I knew what I did the last time, and I knew what changes I needed to make to change things up so that i wouldn't become adapted to a single routine or motion. I always changed something in my workouts, still do, so that I'm not becoming stagant. I knew what worked for me, btw it took me three years to find out that the above bench press workout really worked well for me- and it might not for you.

I know this is long and wordy, but this isn't a concise subject, and I feel that elaboration is neccessary.

I built my bench press using the above routines, but something that really got me over the hump was the incorporation of barbell military presses into my routine. I was always shy of them b/c of the possibility of injury, but when done in front as opposed to behind the neck your chance of injury while lifting heavy is much less. I would camp out on the military press and do 8 sets, almost always with a spotter- which- a good spotter is worth a lot in the gym, believe me, and i'd use a similar scale as i did for bench press.

135x12

205x10

225x8

275x3

295x2

315x3 with assistance

225x5 pause reps

135x12

If you want to get strong in pressing movements, you have to do lots of heavy pressing movements.

And let me say this about pause reps:

A pause rep is a rep where when you reach the bottom of the movement, you pause, not resting the weight, but holding the weight, then when you go up you explode and drive as hard as you can into the weight. This helps build explosiveness at the bottom of a rep and it's crucial for someone who does powerlifting b/c of the importance of explosion and the fact that you have to pause for some lifts, like bench press and military press in many power lifting federations.

I highly reccomend pause reps once you have achieved perfect form.

So I built my bench press by doing lots of flat bench, lots of military, lots of triceps, and going heavy.

The key to working out for me is motivation.

I can't really tell you how motivated I was at some points in my life. I was probably dangerously motivated to be honest. I could put myself in a spot mentally, in a situation, that would make my adrenal glands go nuts. I still can. I used to say to myself, "if you could change (x), x being a certain situation in my life) by lifting this weight, how hard would you push?" I didn't yell, i didn't scream, but I was so mentally engulfed by what I was doing that I at times probably had watery eyes thinking about it before a lift. That kind of mental determination accounts for more than you would imagine.

It's like Arnold said 'be here, now'.

Staying motivated means staying in the gym, i.e., w/o motivation you're just going to show up and go through the movements and get in, get out.

I was fortunate to have a gym near me that was truly hardcore, with guys my age and older who were seriously into it. I've trained with numerous bodybuilders and powerlifters, and I'm friends with one of Ronnie Colemans occasional training partner. So we shared info, we fed off of eachother, and it was a fraternity of guys who wanted to get big, strong, and in better shape.


Atmosphere is huge IMHO. If you're trying to lift heavy next to a 45 year old woman who's doing rubber band exercises on some inflatable ball, WTF?

If you can find a real GYM, you'll be better off. A place that has iron weights, a [censored] up floor, chalk on hand and rock and roll playing.


Okay guys. I'm going to take a break, but I'm going to update this, probably later tonight, with more advice on training back, legs, biceps, dieting, and the overall lifestyle and the effect it has.


BTW- down to a 34" waist, arms still at 19.25 pumped, weighing 218, bench is down a bit but that's expected.


TBC

-Tex


note: if anyone wants to see the link to my gym, they have a myspace page in case you're curious. also, i hope this isn't spam or whatever, but if you need supplements we pretty much have the best of the best, and only carry what the members want/use, so i'd be happy to give you guys the contact info.

kyleb 03-05-2007 01:49 AM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG*
 
tx,

Hey, great thread. A lot of great information in here, especially the part about the free weights. Can't be stressed enough.

Oranzith 03-05-2007 01:50 AM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG*
 
truth

Thremp 03-05-2007 01:52 AM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG*
 
Tx,

A couple things I want to point out as really good:

1) If you ignore the warm-up sets, almost everything is high intensity, low reps and lotsa sets. Which is baller for the advanced lifter. You do some extra stuff for more volume after, which may or may not be a constant thing or when you were "enhanced" or not. Regardless its a great thing to mention.
2) Gym choice is very important. Eventually you'll want to find more than 100lbs dumbbells. Go ahead and rush into it. Do suitcase deadlifts with a wrap to make you feel manly with them.

TxRedMan 03-05-2007 01:55 AM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG*
 
[ QUOTE ]
Tx,

A couple things I want to point out as really good:

1) If you ignore the warm-up sets, almost everything is high intensity, low reps and lotsa sets. Which is baller for the advanced lifter. You do some extra stuff for more volume after, which may or may not be a constant thing or when you were "enhanced" or not. Regardless its a great thing to mention.
2) Gym choice is very important. Eventually you'll want to find more than 100lbs dumbbells. Go ahead and rush into it. Do suitcase deadlifts with a wrap to make you feel manly with them.

[/ QUOTE ]


honestly, i've barely scratched the surface here, and i'm going to go into detail for beginner, intermediate, expert, juicers, etc.

thanks though.

nutsflopper 03-05-2007 02:01 AM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG*
 
gl w/ all that Muscle Milk

Warik 03-05-2007 02:03 AM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG*
 
I suspect this thread is going to kick ass. I've bookmarked it.

Anyway, that's a massive bench and huge military press. How are your squat and DL?

p.s. holy crap that's a lot of Muscle Milk

theblackkeys 03-05-2007 02:24 AM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG*
 
Have you ever been on a routine where you did 3 sets of 5 OR 5 sets of 5? (not counting warm-ups) What kind of results did you get?

Question about the squat: I think since I've just recently been doing FULL squats (2 months or so), that all my muscles aren't balanced. My knees tend to move a bit, they want to adduct (come together). I currently do squats 3 times a week @ 3 sets of 5. It's very hard to perform the sets btw. What should I do to correct my knee movement? Should I back off on the weight a little, do assistance exercises, change stance?

I also recently hurt my muscle or connective tissue where the pec muscle connects to the arm/shoulder, probably because I started too fast. I know I have to leave bench press alone for awhile, but was wondering if you have any guidelines I should follow. Also, I am able to do standing overhead press without a hint of pain, and if I replaced flat bench with OHP in my program, I would be doing OHP 3 times a week @ 3 sets of 5. Is this sustainable or should I do something else to compensate for my injury?

I would appreciate anybody else's input as well.

Shadowrun 03-05-2007 02:40 AM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG*
 
share that myspace link i really want to see a "good gym" as you put it

TxRedMan 03-05-2007 04:22 AM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG**
 
[ QUOTE ]
I wasn't kidding when I said I reccomend muscle milk, and i'm also going to really gear down and lose another 10 pounds in the next 6 weeks, i'm really close to having abs again:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c210/TxRedMan/235.jpg

here's a shot of what i'm taking:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c210/TxRedMan/238.jpg




This is the third time I've tried to do this thread. I cannot begin to tell you how frustrating it is to type out an hour long thread only to have the software not accept it when I hit submit, reaching a page that says 'form is no longer valid', presumably b/c these forums have some sort of time length in place for how long you can take to create a post. Please fix this, it's a terrible software error.

That aside, I'm going to give you guys a lot of information in this thread. A lot of you have PM'd me, and I copied and pasted your ?'s into the first thread but I'm too lazy to do it again, so anyone who wants to ask specific questions can feel free to do so in this thread. Please read the entire thread first. I'm not going to answer ?'s like 'how can i gain 15 lbs of muscle fast?' or 'i want to lose 20 LBS, what's best?'. If you have a mundane question read this thread or any of the other fitness threads that have been done in OOT, or make yourself familiar with google. However, if you have a ? that is specific to weight lifting, dieting, or the overall lifestyle, feel free to ask.

E.G.'s 'why pause reps for bench press?' or 'proteins before bed/during the middle of the night, why?' or 'how do i avoid burnout' etc.

The advice I will give in this thread comes from personal experience. I've had my knowledge on these subjects doubted and ridiculed by a few posters here because of one specific reccomendation I made regarding one specific lift, but I'm the only one who's shown myself and my abilities, and my advice is solid even when it differs from what an undocumented self proclaimed authority might otherwise like you to believe. The bottom line is that I'm going to share with you what I have seen work in my eight years of training, body building, powerlifting, dieting, and learning how the body works and responds.

I'd like to start by saying the following:

Steroids are for trained individuals who have tremendous self discipline and who wish to push their bodies past their natural genetic abilities in muscular development. I would estimate that 90% of the guys I know who have taken steroids do not look like they ever did, and ultimately wasted their time, money, and compromised their health because of non-education, lazy work ethics, and an attitude that the drugs would do the work for them. I first started using steroids when I was about to turn 18, 2 years into serious training, and although I was educated, I was nowhere near my natural genetic potential.

Now then.

Let's talk about lifting weights. Lifting weights has a lot of societal stigmas attached to it. Maybe there's some women that will read this thread (yo fluffpop), and say what I've heard 100's of women say in the past "i don't wanna get all big and bulky".

This is the second biggest myth about weight lifting. Getting big and bulky comes from eating. I challenge anyone here to attempt to gain weight while in a negative caloric state. The only way you can gain weight, whether it be muscle or fat, is to eat more calories than you burn. On top of that, you gain muscle by the ounce, not by the pound. I tell girls all the time that if they did the same routine that I do (assuming they're of a slim build) that within a years time they would be looking much more like a fitness model with toned legs and a firm stomach, and they wouldn't look a thing like a bodybuilder. It is very very hard to grow muscle tissue. I promise you this. I've spent 8 years lifting weights, half of which I used steroids, and I've added what I estimate to be 35 LBS of true muscle tissue. Please do not avoid lifting weights because you think you'll blow up into some sort of Hulk.

The second biggest myth in weight lifting:

"lift heavy to get big, do reps to get ripped"

When a noob would come into the gym and say this in our circle, we used to give him untold amounts of [censored] forever about this remark.

Folks- again, you cannot 'get big' simply by lifting heavy. The truth in that statement is that lifting heavy in most cases will build more muscle tissue than lifting lighter weights for more reps assuming you eat enough to let your body grow, i.e., you're in a positive caloric state.

Doing reps will not make you ripped unless you're in a negative caloric state, but I'm going to let you in on a little secret, a secret that is fact: your muscles already have shape. Your genetic code made your muscles what they are. You can add new muscle to the existing muscle, but you cannot change the shape of your muscles. Want biceps peaks like Arnolds? Tough [censored]. Want tear drop quads like Branch Warren? Sorry bro.

And furthermore, if you can't see the definition in your muscles, guess what? It's because there's a layer of fat on top of them that obscure and hide the definition that lies beneath.


If you're going to lift weights, you need to lift free weights. Machines have specific purposes, and should be incorporated into your workouts, but free weights should generally consist of 80% of your total sets. Why free weights? Because you get more bang for your buck. Learn perfect form and never stray from it, and you won't get hurt, and you'll develop strength in a lot of supporting muscle groups underneath and around the muscle groups you intend to work.

e.g.- when you're doing incline dumbell bench press with free weights, you have to pick the dumbells up off the rack, walk over to the bench, kick them up onto your knees and then hoist them up to your shoulders to perform the lift. This creates balance, agility, and develops smaller muscle groups as well as the deltoid/pectoral/tricep muscles that do the most of the work during the exercise.

Machines are good for people who have injuries, or people who just want to exercise their muscles while burning some calories, but aren't concerned about real muscle growth. There are some exceptions to this, however, as some machines imitate real movements very well and some allow you to isolate certain muscle groups. But the bulk of your routine needs to consist of bare knuckle lifts with dumbells and barbells.

If you wanted to become better at something, you need to look at everything involved. Let's take bench press for example. If I were to ask most of you what muscle group is responsible for a strong bench press, you'd likely tell me the pectorals. Truth is for most guys, the deltoids and the triceps are responsible for their big bench press, as opposed to just the pecs. The wider the grip you use on bench press, the more the chest becomes involved, and vice versa for the triceps and shoulders. Some people have such dominant shoulders that they take over their chest movements.

A guy who has a strong bench press will have strong shoulders and strong triceps.

I used to really be nuts about bench press. It was my lift. There was no one at the gym who could do more than me raw.

My bench routine used to go like this

135x10
135x10
225x10
315x10
385x5
405x5
455x3
485x1
500 negative
405x3 pause reps
385x3 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
225x8 pause reps

Now, I wouldn't do that routine every time, but I did it often, increasing the poundages as I moved up or down in strength. I'd wait at least two minutes between sets and i'd routinely be on the bench for over an hour. The point is, I focused on bench a lot. You can't do 4 sets of bench press and expect to get real strong at it.

After I did that routine I'd do something like this

incline barbell

135x15
225x10
315x6
225x 5 pause reps
225x 5 pause reps

Dumbell flys

4x12

Then I'd go on to triceps

Narrow grip bench press

225x10 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
315x5 pause reps

Triceps pushdowns
1x12
3x8
1x6

That's how I achieved a 500 LB bench press.

Something to note here, and it applies to all lifters, is that once you acquire "feel", you'll instinctively know what to do in the gym. It takes a long time to learn "feel". By feel I mean how your body reacts, how it recovers, what it needs both nutritionally and physically. It's like being able to listen to your body talk to you. I never sit down and write out a weeks worth of workouts. I used to get workouts from the owner of the gym, but once I had tried just about every exercise I could, and I'd had success and made progress lifting, I just knew what I need to do. I knew what I did the last time, and I knew what changes I needed to make to change things up so that i wouldn't become adapted to a single routine or motion. I always changed something in my workouts, still do, so that I'm not becoming stagant. I knew what worked for me, btw it took me three years to find out that the above bench press workout really worked well for me- and it might not for you.

I know this is long and wordy, but this isn't a concise subject, and I feel that elaboration is neccessary.

I built my bench press using the above routines, but something that really got me over the hump was the incorporation of barbell military presses into my routine. I was always shy of them b/c of the possibility of injury, but when done in front as opposed to behind the neck your chance of injury while lifting heavy is much less. I would camp out on the military press and do 8 sets, almost always with a spotter- which- a good spotter is worth a lot in the gym, believe me, and i'd use a similar scale as i did for bench press.

135x12

205x10

225x8

275x3

295x2

315x3 with assistance

225x5 pause reps

135x12

If you want to get strong in pressing movements, you have to do lots of heavy pressing movements.

And let me say this about pause reps:

A pause rep is a rep where when you reach the bottom of the movement, you pause, not resting the weight, but holding the weight, then when you go up you explode and drive as hard as you can into the weight. This helps build explosiveness at the bottom of a rep and it's crucial for someone who does powerlifting b/c of the importance of explosion and the fact that you have to pause for some lifts, like bench press and military press in many power lifting federations.

I highly reccomend pause reps once you have achieved perfect form.

So I built my bench press by doing lots of flat bench, lots of military, lots of triceps, and going heavy.

The key to working out for me is motivation.

I can't really tell you how motivated I was at some points in my life. I was probably dangerously motivated to be honest. I could put myself in a spot mentally, in a situation, that would make my adrenal glands go nuts. I still can. I used to say to myself, "if you could change (x), x being a certain situation in my life) by lifting this weight, how hard would you push?" I didn't yell, i didn't scream, but I was so mentally engulfed by what I was doing that I at times probably had watery eyes thinking about it before a lift. That kind of mental determination accounts for more than you would imagine.

It's like Arnold said 'be here, now'.

Staying motivated means staying in the gym, i.e., w/o motivation you're just going to show up and go through the movements and get in, get out.

I was fortunate to have a gym near me that was truly hardcore, with guys my age and older who were seriously into it. I've trained with numerous bodybuilders and powerlifters, and I'm friends with one of Ronnie Colemans occasional training partner. So we shared info, we fed off of eachother, and it was a fraternity of guys who wanted to get big, strong, and in better shape.


Atmosphere is huge IMHO. If you're trying to lift heavy next to a 45 year old woman who's doing rubber band exercises on some inflatable ball, WTF?

If you can find a real GYM, you'll be better off. A place that has iron weights, a [censored] up floor, chalk on hand and rock and roll playing.


Okay guys. I'm going to take a break, but I'm going to update this, probably later tonight, with more advice on training back, legs, biceps, dieting, and the overall lifestyle and the effect it has.


BTW- down to a 34" waist, arms still at 19.25 pumped, weighing 218, bench is down a bit but that's expected.


TBC

-Tex


note: if anyone wants to see the link to my gym, they have a myspace page in case you're curious. also, i hope this isn't spam or whatever, but if you need supplements we pretty much have the best of the best, and only carry what the members want/use, so i'd be happy to give you guys the contact info.

[/ QUOTE ]

alright, caught a second wind.


let's talk about back and legs amongst other things.

i, like many other lifters, started out wanting to have big arms, a strong bench press, and hard abs. i really didnt 'care' about legs for two years. i would do squats, but nothing heavy, and some months i'd only do leg presses and extensions. then i got into powerlifting, and started to notice that besides the difference in strength, my body was growing disproportionate.

i reccomend very seriously that when you start a program, you do legs. dont' skip leg workouts. FTR- if you want to be a 'badass' you need legs. guys who have strong legs are going to have an edge in any physical confrontation. that aside, here's how i trained legs.

legs have a tremendous capacity for endurance! they aren't like any other muscle group you have b/c you are on them mostly all day. therefore they can naturally handle a large workload in comparison to other muscle groups, and, they're also a very large muscle group.

for many guys gaining muscle in their legs is easier than gaining muscle in most other parts of their body.

the squat is the cornerstone of any good leg workout. it's also the most grueling and exhausting movement you can do in the gym when done correctly.

i highly reccomend two things; first- get a belt. once you reach a certain weight you're going to need a belt, and for me it was anything over 225. it can prevent injury, it stabilizes your core, and these days i feel naked without one. secondly, i reccomend knee wraps for your very heavy sets. knee wraps increase hydrostatic tension within the knee itself which greatly reduces the risk of injury and also provides for resistance when going down, which, can actually increase the amount of weight you can lift.

squatting needs to be done with a spotter in a lot of instances. if you're squatting on a rack that doesn't have a rack below you to set the weight on in case of failure or fatigue, you MUST have a spotter. squatting can be very dangerous. guys have blown their bowels out squatting before, broken legs, and incurred all kinds of injuries- mostly due to lifting too heavy, but i can't emphasize enough how crucial a great spotter is in squatting and in the gym in general.


when squatting, you don't want to go all the way down to a catcher's stance, but you want to break parallel. i laugh as do many other guys when we see someone load up the bar and do 1/4 depth squats. do not do these! if you don't squat deep enough you won't develop strength in the bottom part of the motion and thus will never be able to squat heavy.

for a beginner i will reccomend this program for the first 6 weeks of squats, 2x/week:

10 minutes of low intensity stationary bicycling

2-3 minutes of back and leg stretching

(this assumes you are comfortable with squatting w/ weight, if you aren't, become comfortable with the movement first)

1x20
1x15
1x12
1x10
1x15
1x20

what the above structure does is develop muscle memory above all else. it solidifies good form, and it also will exhaust the muscles involved, but primarily i want you to use this high volume workout for the first six weeks so you can perfect your form in a very critical lift.

leg presses

1x10
1x8
3x5

on leg presses you can go as deep as you want on most machines. i.e., you can go deeper on leg press than you can on a squat. i prefer you use the same stance you use for squats when using leg press, or slightly narrower.

reverse hamstring curls

1x15
2x8
1x15

the keys you need to focus on while doing hamstring curls are a slow, controlled movement, a contraction at the top of the lift (flex) and a good stretch at the bottom of the movement. use your rep's wisely- don't blow through them- feel the stretch at the bottom and the contraction at the top of every set.

quadricep extensions

1x12
3x8
1x15

again, stretch at the bottom, contraction at the top.


For most of you, if you do this workout, you will want to die when it's over. The next day you will be cursing TxRedMan and his [censored] workout thread. But I dare you- I dare you to do this workout 2x/week for 6 weeks. And i promise you it will put you on the fast track to being in shape and having wheels of steel.

Intermediate workout

By intermediate I mean that you've either done the above workout 2x week for 6 weeks, or you're familiar to the gym and have done plenty of squats, leg presses, and the like, and have good form and some sort of muscular develoment in your legs.

same warmup as above; you have to do warmups before squatting! you do not want to pull a muscle in the middle of a squat! i've seen it happen! not cool!

Squats

1x20 w/ a light weight

1x10

1x8

1x5

1x3

1x6

1x10


Leg presses (pick either leg presses or squats, add/subtract the other from your next workout)

4x6

1x3

Hacksquats

3x8

2x5

Leg extensions (add or subtract leg extensions/hamstring curls from your next workout)

1x15

1x12

1x8

1x10

1x20

Hamstring curls

2x12

1x10

1x8



Here's what I did when i was juicing:


warmup as above;

squats

135x20

225x15

315x15

405x20 (yes, 20 reps)

475x8

495x6

315x15

225x20


Leg presses

1x12

3x8

Hacksquats

4x6

Leg extensions

3x15




I didn't do hamstring curls when I was juicing, aka for four years b/c i hate those [censored]. They kill my hamstrings.


BTW-

for intermediates and advanced lifters-

Every third workout, do leg presses w/ the same reps/sets that you would do for squats, but do leg presses first, then go to squats and do your leg press reps/sets on squats.

Also, every third workout or so i'd like to do what I called
hell on wheels

it went like this (i haven't done this in a long time, and i don't care to do it anytime soon)

1x8 on leg press (near failure)

immediately followed by

1x15 of leg extensions (the machines were right by eachother)

immediately followed by

1x20 of leg press

immediately followed by near feint, exhaustion, and twice throwing up-

i would do this three times to really shock my legs, and, it was sick cardio. if you want to become a beast, try it and see what happens.

For calves I reccomend standing calf raises primarily, with seated calf raises a close second. i never did get a good feel for donkey raises.

Here's what i have to say about calve training:

Do them slow. Most of us can load up the entire stack on the calf machine and do endless reps if we wanted to, so in order to lift for fewer reps i advocate doing slower reps. Flex at the top, pause near the bottom. Calves are hard to get big. Almost all bodybuilders struggle to get bigger calves, hence the implants. If your calves wont grow, tough luck. Some people have big calves naturally, others don't. There's not a lot you can do to grow bigger calves if you don't have the genetic makeup for it, and it's just that simple.

When training legs, alwasy remember that something is better than nothing. I've only met a few guys in my life who truly loved training legs, and most guys i've met never had proportionate legs in contrast to their upper body, so even when you don't want to hurl your lunch from squatting like i reccomended above, remember that something is better than nothing, so at least get in there and hit it for a littl while.

squatting is a full body movement though- i can promise you that if you took an untrained individual and tested his maximum bench press, deadlift, and squat, that, w/o ever training anything other than his legs, if his squat gets stronger so would his other lifts. bench press isn't going to get terribly stronger, but funny as it sounds, it will, and so would his deadlift. and i'm not kidding about legs in regards to a physical confrontation. i don't care how strong your arms and chest are, w/o a foundation they can't serve their purpose.

DONT BE A CANDY ASS [censored], TRAIN YOUR LEGS YOU [censored] NANCY BOY


alright. lets talk about back.

having a strong back is something that can actually come in handy in every day life. and like all muscle groups, it is critical that you stretch and warmup your back before you engage it in any sort of weight lifting activity.

your main exercises for back will be as follows

rows
pulldowns
pullups
deadlift

rows can be done on machine, with dumbells, or with barbells. from a powerlifting point of view, i prefer barbell rows over dumbell rows, however, from an aesthetic point of view i prefer dumbell rows.

dumbell rows are performed by putting one hand and one knee on a bench, the opposite leg behind you, and lifing the dumbell up towards your chest with your lat. any exercise that works a muscle group one at a time e.g., alternating them, is great b/c it doesn't allow one muscle to dominate the other. in dumbell rows be sure to stretch and contract, and make sure you do the exercise in a manner that makes your lat do the work, not your bicep, although you will feel your bicep working in the movement, hence why some guys do back with biceps, b/c of the preexhaustion that occurs when doing back.

barbell rows are done with a belt preferably.

load up a barbell, bend slightly at the knees and try and keep your back fairly straight, although i've found that for me and many others, we can have an arch in our back and not injure ourselves and get better tension in the movement via a longer motion and a better stretch at the bottom.

you will sometimes see barbell rows performed on a platform, extending the length of the movement.

it's rather simple, really, pull the weight up into your midsection, contract, let it down, stretch, repeat.

for barbell rows- an exercise that's geared for building a massive back and overall strength, i'm going to reccomend the following for beginners:

1x15
2x12
1x10
1x8


if you're familiar w/ the exercise then i'd use something close to this

1x12
1x8
2x6
1x3

I prefer to do my barbell rows on the same day i do deadlift, so i'll always do my deadlifts first BTW.

Deadlift is a sick lift, really. Your blood pressure does crazy things during a heavy deadlift. A lot of guys have passed out after a heavy deadlift before, so be careful, but don't be alarmed if a lot of blood goes rushing after you put the bar down.

Deadlifts strengthen the entire back, but mostly the lower back, as well as the quadriceps to some extent, the trapezius muscles, the biceps, the forearms, and of course your grip.

there are many ways to do deadlift. i prefer a standard stance, just about shoulder width apart. bend at the knees and grab the bar, pull it in close to your shins, and lift. i prefer an alternating grip, one hand over one hand under.

i never ever deadlift w/o a belt. NEVER.

you don't want a hernia [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

deadlifts, IMO, should be done heavy.

for a beginner

1x15
1x12
1x10
1x8

for all else;

1x12
1x8
2x5
2x3

When deadlifting, don't lower the weight down slowly. This is the only time i wont advocate taking the weight down slowly. You run the risk of injury when you take the weight down too slow and you also burnout your supporting muscles. The weight should slam when it hits the ground. It will be loud, it might scare others, but that's deadlifting for you.


Lat pulldowns;

lat pulldowns are the best of the machine exercises IMO. lat pulldowns are very similar to pullups, however i prefer them over pullups b/c i've never been able to achieve the same feeling and isolation of the lats when doing pullups.

lat pulldowns will develop width in your lats.

i will usuall do a routine as follows:

1x15
1x12
1x10
1x8
2x6
1x10
1x12
1x15

And i've measured over 60" in the chest b/c of that.

Again, stretch at the top and contract at the bottom, although don't hold the contraction as long as other contractions for other muscle groups.


On a lat pulldown machine I've developed an exercise that I really love. I don't know if there's a name for it, but it's performed by standing up, a few feet back from the banch you sit on, and then with your arms fully extended, pulling the bar down to below your waist. Try it, you'll like it.


Those exercises are what i've primarily used for back, with variations through out. You can find rowing machines in your gym with all sorts of different angles and attachments. Since there's not a huge assortment of exercises for the back, i'll often make good use of the different kinds of bars and attachments I can use during my workouts. Something as slight as changine the angle of the bar or the position of the grip can have a profound effect on how the exercise works your muscles.


I will reccomend that you do biceps on your heavy back days, or to at least not do biceps the day before or after doing back. You can do back/shoulders, but I think for a lot of people the biceps will try to take over so much of a back workout that it makes sense to do biceps on back day for that very reason.




let's talk a little about nutrition:

first of all, i don't know about you, but trying to eat 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight is impossible for me. and some idiots will actually reccomend this to people who are trying to gain weight/muscle. IMHO, it's not so much how much protein you eat, but much more what kind of protein you eat, and when you eat it i.e., soy protein is < egg protein <whey protein > milk protein.

for me, at 220 LBS, if I can get 200 grams of protein in per day i'm doing just fine, especially since the following happens every day for me

35 grams of protein as soon as i wakeup

30 grams of protein during lunch

35 grams of protein mid afternoon

45 grams of protein immediately after workout consisting of one muscle milk and 10 amino acid tabs

30 grams of protein at dinner time

45 grams of protein at bed time

10 grams of protein when i wakeup to take a piss




This is something you need to remember and should serve you well: you grow when you sleep. You do not grow when you are awake. What you are doing in the gym is tearing down old muscle tissue, in the hopes that your body will grow new tissue over it- more tissue than was there before. Therefore, giving your body protein before bedtime gives you a better chance to ensure that protein will be used for receovery- not for energy/metabolism needs as it can be during the day time assuming your body doesn't have the carbs it needs.

Protein at bedtime= smart.


i'll talk a lot more about diet in the next update and will start to answer some ?'s.



-Tex

TxRedMan 03-05-2007 04:37 AM

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Have you ever been on a routine where you did 3 sets of 5 OR 5 sets of 5? (not counting warm-ups) What kind of results did you get?

Question about the squat: I think since I've just recently been doing FULL squats (2 months or so), that all my muscles aren't balanced. My knees tend to move a bit, they want to adduct (come together). I currently do squats 3 times a week @ 3 sets of 5. It's very hard to perform the sets btw. What should I do to correct my knee movement? Should I back off on the weight a little, do assistance exercises, change stance?

I also recently hurt my muscle or connective tissue where the pec muscle connects to the arm/shoulder, probably because I started too fast. I know I have to leave bench press alone for awhile, but was wondering if you have any guidelines I should follow. Also, I am able to do standing overhead press without a hint of pain, and if I replaced flat bench with OHP in my program, I would be doing OHP 3 times a week @ 3 sets of 5. Is this sustainable or should I do something else to compensate for my injury?

I would appreciate anybody else's input as well.

[/ QUOTE ]

the only time i did 3x5 or 5x5 was when i was doing 15+ sets on bench, and i just so happened to do (x) sets of 5 reps.

5 sets on bench isn't enough for strength training. if you're serious about bench, you need to be doing 10+ sets, however, it's hard to count them all as 'set's as you'll be doing negatives in the routine.


per your squatting problem:

i would do less weight until it went away, or do only as much as i could do w/o that problem occuring.

focus on heavy leg presses if it doesnt go away and you want to train legs heavy.

per your pec problem: i've had the same thing happen to me, recently, actually.

do not do inlcine bench press!

if you can do OHP, try doing them seated. it's more controlled and you can lift heavier when seated.

i would take 4-8 weeks off from bench press, and test the waters very slowly when i came back.


also, take anti inflammatory's pre workout.

kdubom 03-05-2007 04:56 AM

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hey Tx, what is your opinion on swimming for getting into shape/healthy? Benefits, degree of usefulnes?

theblackkeys 03-05-2007 05:03 AM

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Thanks for the rehab answers. 4-8 weeks huh? damn.

I'm actually going to stick with the standing version because I can do it in the power rack where I just did squats. My 24 hr fitness has ONE power rack, and a ton of machines. Sucks.

Big Limpin 03-05-2007 05:09 AM

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havent read past this part yet: [ QUOTE ]
This is the third time I've tried to do this thread. I cannot begin to tell you how frustrating it is to type out an hour long thread only to have the software not accept it when I hit submit, reaching a page that says 'form is no longer valid', presumably b/c these forums have some sort of time length in place for how long you can take to create a post. Please fix this, it's a terrible software error.

[/ QUOTE ]
...so what you want to do here is hit the "back" button in your browser. Your text will still be there. So ctrl+c the text and the start a new post, and just crtl+v what you wrote back in.
Sadly, as obvious as this seems, i lost posts the same as you before i figured it out [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Anyways, back to read the post now...

edfurlong 03-05-2007 05:10 AM

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My 24 hr fitness has ONE power rack, and a ton of machines. Sucks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Same, but it's rarely in use unless some piece of [censored] is doing curls in it.

Thremp 03-05-2007 05:12 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
My 24 hr fitness has ONE power rack, and a ton of machines. Sucks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Same, but it's rarely in use unless some piece of [censored] is doing curls in it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ask to work in and proceed to set up the weights for whatever exercise you want to do. Squats... Deadlifts... Whatev.

edfurlong 03-05-2007 05:13 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
My 24 hr fitness has ONE power rack, and a ton of machines. Sucks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Same, but it's rarely in use unless some piece of [censored] is doing curls in it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ask to work in and proceed to set up the weights for whatever exercise you want to do. Squats... Deadlifts... Whatev.

[/ QUOTE ]

I only use it for my forty five minute stretching routine.

Thremp 03-05-2007 05:17 AM

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Even better.

KaiserSose 03-05-2007 05:23 AM

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Thanks for all the info Tex

I dont know if you have addressed this yet, but if you have, I apologize for overlooking it. My question involves the number of sets and the duration of rest periods. My typical chest day would go something like.

Flat Dumb bell bench press

6x 50%max
6X 80%max
6x 90%max
6x 100%max

Incline Dumb bell press

6x 100%max
6x 100%max
6x 100%max

Fly - Machine

8x 100%max
8x 100%max
8x 100%max

Dips

9, 7, 5

Tricep Pulldown

8x 100%max
8x 100%max
8x 100%max

Each rest period would be approximentaly 3 minutes. The purpose of the long rest period is to give my body enough time to recover so that I can do sets at my max. Is it fine for me to do this. Is there a better method? Do you think i'm getting in enough sets? I'm in pretty decent shape right now, I've put on about 20lbs of muscle in the last year and a half. I want to put on another 10lb in the next three months. Im about 5'9, 165lbs.

Thremp 03-05-2007 05:25 AM

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That is a ton of sets to failure.

theblackkeys 03-05-2007 06:35 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
My 24 hr fitness has ONE power rack, and a ton of machines. Sucks.

[/ QUOTE ]

Same, but it's rarely in use unless some piece of [censored] is doing curls in it.

[/ QUOTE ]
Yeah, I see that sometimes.

Offtopic: I often see guys bigger, stronger, and pulling more weight than me doing ATROCIOUS deadlifts. Their backs are totally rounded, knees NOT BENT AT ALL, and they just lean over and pick it up. Should I say something to them? Or should I just leave it alone?

kyleb 03-05-2007 08:24 AM

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Just leave it alone.

Are you sure they aren't doing stiff-legged deadlifts, though?

BPA234 03-05-2007 09:08 AM

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Back button, browser refresh button, submit post. Saves copying and reposting.

StaticShock 03-05-2007 10:18 AM

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This has been mentioned here before several times, but it's worth repeating. People looking to bulk up *need* to realize how important the big lifts like deadlifts and squats are. You won't release the growth hormones that those do just by doing concentration curls and cable curls. The big lifts MAKE you grow.

Yawning Chain 03-05-2007 01:03 PM

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TxRedMan,

Great thread. Most of your info is right on. I definitely agree with your take on training the legs. For those who are lift only guys, nothing looks more stupid than a huge upper body and chicken legs. For those of us who lift to enhance sport, legs are critical to performance. I play amatuer baseball at a pretty competitive level and I attribute my spike in hr's and doubles at the advanced baseball age of 41 to be due to my efforts at the squat rack.

I do have to differ with you on a few items. First, I noticed that stiff legged deadlifts were not part of your leg workout. I consider these to be a cornerstone of a good leg program. I tore a hamstring about four years ago and used these as part of my rehab and have since developed great strength and flexibility in that area.

Second, I disagree on the use of a lifting belt. I quit using one a while back and have seen little effect on my squats. I think that the belt prevents the body from developing the stabilizing muscles in the core.

Thanks for the great thread and let me know what your thoughts are.

ScottieK 03-05-2007 02:10 PM

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Back button, browser refresh button, submit post. Saves copying and reposting.

[/ QUOTE ]

This only works occasionally for me. For longer posts, I'll type it out in Word and copy/paste from there. Much more reliable IMO, easier to edit, and you can save posts if you really feel like it.

Good thread. My #1 problem is motivation, by far. I'll get on a workout kick for a few weeks, then lose interest or get sidetracked. Any advice on staying motivated for weeks, months, years? I did see the part of being motivated for a single workout, but I've tried working out in a really busy corporate-type gym and just get turned off by the whole experience. I have a gym in my work building that doesn't have a whole bunch of equipment, but it's quiet, and I'll usually have the place to myself. I'd much rather work out there. Any suggestions are appreciated...thanks!

ScottieK

TxRedMan 03-05-2007 03:06 PM

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I wasn't kidding when I said I reccomend muscle milk, and i'm also going to really gear down and lose another 10 pounds in the next 6 weeks, i'm really close to having abs again:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c210/TxRedMan/235.jpg

here's a shot of what i'm taking:

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c210/TxRedMan/238.jpg




This is the third time I've tried to do this thread. I cannot begin to tell you how frustrating it is to type out an hour long thread only to have the software not accept it when I hit submit, reaching a page that says 'form is no longer valid', presumably b/c these forums have some sort of time length in place for how long you can take to create a post. Please fix this, it's a terrible software error.

That aside, I'm going to give you guys a lot of information in this thread. A lot of you have PM'd me, and I copied and pasted your ?'s into the first thread but I'm too lazy to do it again, so anyone who wants to ask specific questions can feel free to do so in this thread. Please read the entire thread first. I'm not going to answer ?'s like 'how can i gain 15 lbs of muscle fast?' or 'i want to lose 20 LBS, what's best?'. If you have a mundane question read this thread or any of the other fitness threads that have been done in OOT, or make yourself familiar with google. However, if you have a ? that is specific to weight lifting, dieting, or the overall lifestyle, feel free to ask.

E.G.'s 'why pause reps for bench press?' or 'proteins before bed/during the middle of the night, why?' or 'how do i avoid burnout' etc.

The advice I will give in this thread comes from personal experience. I've had my knowledge on these subjects doubted and ridiculed by a few posters here because of one specific reccomendation I made regarding one specific lift, but I'm the only one who's shown myself and my abilities, and my advice is solid even when it differs from what an undocumented self proclaimed authority might otherwise like you to believe. The bottom line is that I'm going to share with you what I have seen work in my eight years of training, body building, powerlifting, dieting, and learning how the body works and responds.

I'd like to start by saying the following:

Steroids are for trained individuals who have tremendous self discipline and who wish to push their bodies past their natural genetic abilities in muscular development. I would estimate that 90% of the guys I know who have taken steroids do not look like they ever did, and ultimately wasted their time, money, and compromised their health because of non-education, lazy work ethics, and an attitude that the drugs would do the work for them. I first started using steroids when I was about to turn 18, 2 years into serious training, and although I was educated, I was nowhere near my natural genetic potential.

Now then.

Let's talk about lifting weights. Lifting weights has a lot of societal stigmas attached to it. Maybe there's some women that will read this thread (yo fluffpop), and say what I've heard 100's of women say in the past "i don't wanna get all big and bulky".

This is the second biggest myth about weight lifting. Getting big and bulky comes from eating. I challenge anyone here to attempt to gain weight while in a negative caloric state. The only way you can gain weight, whether it be muscle or fat, is to eat more calories than you burn. On top of that, you gain muscle by the ounce, not by the pound. I tell girls all the time that if they did the same routine that I do (assuming they're of a slim build) that within a years time they would be looking much more like a fitness model with toned legs and a firm stomach, and they wouldn't look a thing like a bodybuilder. It is very very hard to grow muscle tissue. I promise you this. I've spent 8 years lifting weights, half of which I used steroids, and I've added what I estimate to be 35 LBS of true muscle tissue. Please do not avoid lifting weights because you think you'll blow up into some sort of Hulk.

The second biggest myth in weight lifting:

"lift heavy to get big, do reps to get ripped"

When a noob would come into the gym and say this in our circle, we used to give him untold amounts of [censored] forever about this remark.

Folks- again, you cannot 'get big' simply by lifting heavy. The truth in that statement is that lifting heavy in most cases will build more muscle tissue than lifting lighter weights for more reps assuming you eat enough to let your body grow, i.e., you're in a positive caloric state.

Doing reps will not make you ripped unless you're in a negative caloric state, but I'm going to let you in on a little secret, a secret that is fact: your muscles already have shape. Your genetic code made your muscles what they are. You can add new muscle to the existing muscle, but you cannot change the shape of your muscles. Want biceps peaks like Arnolds? Tough [censored]. Want tear drop quads like Branch Warren? Sorry bro.

And furthermore, if you can't see the definition in your muscles, guess what? It's because there's a layer of fat on top of them that obscure and hide the definition that lies beneath.


If you're going to lift weights, you need to lift free weights. Machines have specific purposes, and should be incorporated into your workouts, but free weights should generally consist of 80% of your total sets. Why free weights? Because you get more bang for your buck. Learn perfect form and never stray from it, and you won't get hurt, and you'll develop strength in a lot of supporting muscle groups underneath and around the muscle groups you intend to work.

e.g.- when you're doing incline dumbell bench press with free weights, you have to pick the dumbells up off the rack, walk over to the bench, kick them up onto your knees and then hoist them up to your shoulders to perform the lift. This creates balance, agility, and develops smaller muscle groups as well as the deltoid/pectoral/tricep muscles that do the most of the work during the exercise.

Machines are good for people who have injuries, or people who just want to exercise their muscles while burning some calories, but aren't concerned about real muscle growth. There are some exceptions to this, however, as some machines imitate real movements very well and some allow you to isolate certain muscle groups. But the bulk of your routine needs to consist of bare knuckle lifts with dumbells and barbells.

If you wanted to become better at something, you need to look at everything involved. Let's take bench press for example. If I were to ask most of you what muscle group is responsible for a strong bench press, you'd likely tell me the pectorals. Truth is for most guys, the deltoids and the triceps are responsible for their big bench press, as opposed to just the pecs. The wider the grip you use on bench press, the more the chest becomes involved, and vice versa for the triceps and shoulders. Some people have such dominant shoulders that they take over their chest movements.

A guy who has a strong bench press will have strong shoulders and strong triceps.

I used to really be nuts about bench press. It was my lift. There was no one at the gym who could do more than me raw.

My bench routine used to go like this

135x10
135x10
225x10
315x10
385x5
405x5
455x3
485x1
500 negative
405x3 pause reps
385x3 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
225x8 pause reps

Now, I wouldn't do that routine every time, but I did it often, increasing the poundages as I moved up or down in strength. I'd wait at least two minutes between sets and i'd routinely be on the bench for over an hour. The point is, I focused on bench a lot. You can't do 4 sets of bench press and expect to get real strong at it.

After I did that routine I'd do something like this

incline barbell

135x15
225x10
315x6
225x 5 pause reps
225x 5 pause reps

Dumbell flys

4x12

Then I'd go on to triceps

Narrow grip bench press

225x10 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
315x5 pause reps

Triceps pushdowns
1x12
3x8
1x6

That's how I achieved a 500 LB bench press.

Something to note here, and it applies to all lifters, is that once you acquire "feel", you'll instinctively know what to do in the gym. It takes a long time to learn "feel". By feel I mean how your body reacts, how it recovers, what it needs both nutritionally and physically. It's like being able to listen to your body talk to you. I never sit down and write out a weeks worth of workouts. I used to get workouts from the owner of the gym, but once I had tried just about every exercise I could, and I'd had success and made progress lifting, I just knew what I need to do. I knew what I did the last time, and I knew what changes I needed to make to change things up so that i wouldn't become adapted to a single routine or motion. I always changed something in my workouts, still do, so that I'm not becoming stagant. I knew what worked for me, btw it took me three years to find out that the above bench press workout really worked well for me- and it might not for you.

I know this is long and wordy, but this isn't a concise subject, and I feel that elaboration is neccessary.

I built my bench press using the above routines, but something that really got me over the hump was the incorporation of barbell military presses into my routine. I was always shy of them b/c of the possibility of injury, but when done in front as opposed to behind the neck your chance of injury while lifting heavy is much less. I would camp out on the military press and do 8 sets, almost always with a spotter- which- a good spotter is worth a lot in the gym, believe me, and i'd use a similar scale as i did for bench press.

135x12

205x10

225x8

275x3

295x2

315x3 with assistance

225x5 pause reps

135x12

If you want to get strong in pressing movements, you have to do lots of heavy pressing movements.

And let me say this about pause reps:

A pause rep is a rep where when you reach the bottom of the movement, you pause, not resting the weight, but holding the weight, then when you go up you explode and drive as hard as you can into the weight. This helps build explosiveness at the bottom of a rep and it's crucial for someone who does powerlifting b/c of the importance of explosion and the fact that you have to pause for some lifts, like bench press and military press in many power lifting federations.

I highly reccomend pause reps once you have achieved perfect form.

So I built my bench press by doing lots of flat bench, lots of military, lots of triceps, and going heavy.

The key to working out for me is motivation.

I can't really tell you how motivated I was at some points in my life. I was probably dangerously motivated to be honest. I could put myself in a spot mentally, in a situation, that would make my adrenal glands go nuts. I still can. I used to say to myself, "if you could change (x), x being a certain situation in my life) by lifting this weight, how hard would you push?" I didn't yell, i didn't scream, but I was so mentally engulfed by what I was doing that I at times probably had watery eyes thinking about it before a lift. That kind of mental determination accounts for more than you would imagine.

It's like Arnold said 'be here, now'.

Staying motivated means staying in the gym, i.e., w/o motivation you're just going to show up and go through the movements and get in, get out.

I was fortunate to have a gym near me that was truly hardcore, with guys my age and older who were seriously into it. I've trained with numerous bodybuilders and powerlifters, and I'm friends with one of Ronnie Colemans occasional training partner. So we shared info, we fed off of eachother, and it was a fraternity of guys who wanted to get big, strong, and in better shape.


Atmosphere is huge IMHO. If you're trying to lift heavy next to a 45 year old woman who's doing rubber band exercises on some inflatable ball, WTF?

If you can find a real GYM, you'll be better off. A place that has iron weights, a [censored] up floor, chalk on hand and rock and roll playing.


Okay guys. I'm going to take a break, but I'm going to update this, probably later tonight, with more advice on training back, legs, biceps, dieting, and the overall lifestyle and the effect it has.


BTW- down to a 34" waist, arms still at 19.25 pumped, weighing 218, bench is down a bit but that's expected.


TBC

-Tex


note: if anyone wants to see the link to my gym, they have a myspace page in case you're curious. also, i hope this isn't spam or whatever, but if you need supplements we pretty much have the best of the best, and only carry what the members want/use, so i'd be happy to give you guys the contact info.

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alright, caught a second wind.


let's talk about back and legs amongst other things.

i, like many other lifters, started out wanting to have big arms, a strong bench press, and hard abs. i really didnt 'care' about legs for two years. i would do squats, but nothing heavy, and some months i'd only do leg presses and extensions. then i got into powerlifting, and started to notice that besides the difference in strength, my body was growing disproportionate.

i reccomend very seriously that when you start a program, you do legs. dont' skip leg workouts. FTR- if you want to be a 'badass' you need legs. guys who have strong legs are going to have an edge in any physical confrontation. that aside, here's how i trained legs.

legs have a tremendous capacity for endurance! they aren't like any other muscle group you have b/c you are on them mostly all day. therefore they can naturally handle a large workload in comparison to other muscle groups, and, they're also a very large muscle group.

for many guys gaining muscle in their legs is easier than gaining muscle in most other parts of their body.

the squat is the cornerstone of any good leg workout. it's also the most grueling and exhausting movement you can do in the gym when done correctly.

i highly reccomend two things; first- get a belt. once you reach a certain weight you're going to need a belt, and for me it was anything over 225. it can prevent injury, it stabilizes your core, and these days i feel naked without one. secondly, i reccomend knee wraps for your very heavy sets. knee wraps increase hydrostatic tension within the knee itself which greatly reduces the risk of injury and also provides for resistance when going down, which, can actually increase the amount of weight you can lift.

squatting needs to be done with a spotter in a lot of instances. if you're squatting on a rack that doesn't have a rack below you to set the weight on in case of failure or fatigue, you MUST have a spotter. squatting can be very dangerous. guys have blown their bowels out squatting before, broken legs, and incurred all kinds of injuries- mostly due to lifting too heavy, but i can't emphasize enough how crucial a great spotter is in squatting and in the gym in general.


when squatting, you don't want to go all the way down to a catcher's stance, but you want to break parallel. i laugh as do many other guys when we see someone load up the bar and do 1/4 depth squats. do not do these! if you don't squat deep enough you won't develop strength in the bottom part of the motion and thus will never be able to squat heavy.

for a beginner i will reccomend this program for the first 6 weeks of squats, 2x/week:

10 minutes of low intensity stationary bicycling

2-3 minutes of back and leg stretching

(this assumes you are comfortable with squatting w/ weight, if you aren't, become comfortable with the movement first)

1x20
1x15
1x12
1x10
1x15
1x20

what the above structure does is develop muscle memory above all else. it solidifies good form, and it also will exhaust the muscles involved, but primarily i want you to use this high volume workout for the first six weeks so you can perfect your form in a very critical lift.

leg presses

1x10
1x8
3x5

on leg presses you can go as deep as you want on most machines. i.e., you can go deeper on leg press than you can on a squat. i prefer you use the same stance you use for squats when using leg press, or slightly narrower.

reverse hamstring curls

1x15
2x8
1x15

the keys you need to focus on while doing hamstring curls are a slow, controlled movement, a contraction at the top of the lift (flex) and a good stretch at the bottom of the movement. use your rep's wisely- don't blow through them- feel the stretch at the bottom and the contraction at the top of every set.

quadricep extensions

1x12
3x8
1x15

again, stretch at the bottom, contraction at the top.


For most of you, if you do this workout, you will want to die when it's over. The next day you will be cursing TxRedMan and his [censored] workout thread. But I dare you- I dare you to do this workout 2x/week for 6 weeks. And i promise you it will put you on the fast track to being in shape and having wheels of steel.

Intermediate workout

By intermediate I mean that you've either done the above workout 2x week for 6 weeks, or you're familiar to the gym and have done plenty of squats, leg presses, and the like, and have good form and some sort of muscular develoment in your legs.

same warmup as above; you have to do warmups before squatting! you do not want to pull a muscle in the middle of a squat! i've seen it happen! not cool!

Squats

1x20 w/ a light weight

1x10

1x8

1x5

1x3

1x6

1x10


Leg presses (pick either leg presses or squats, add/subtract the other from your next workout)

4x6

1x3

Hacksquats

3x8

2x5

Leg extensions (add or subtract leg extensions/hamstring curls from your next workout)

1x15

1x12

1x8

1x10

1x20

Hamstring curls

2x12

1x10

1x8



Here's what I did when i was juicing:


warmup as above;

squats

135x20

225x15

315x15

405x20 (yes, 20 reps)

475x8

495x6

315x15

225x20


Leg presses

1x12

3x8

Hacksquats

4x6

Leg extensions

3x15




I didn't do hamstring curls when I was juicing, aka for four years b/c i hate those [censored]. They kill my hamstrings.


BTW-

for intermediates and advanced lifters-

Every third workout, do leg presses w/ the same reps/sets that you would do for squats, but do leg presses first, then go to squats and do your leg press reps/sets on squats.

Also, every third workout or so i'd like to do what I called
hell on wheels

it went like this (i haven't done this in a long time, and i don't care to do it anytime soon)

1x8 on leg press (near failure)

immediately followed by

1x15 of leg extensions (the machines were right by eachother)

immediately followed by

1x20 of leg press

immediately followed by near feint, exhaustion, and twice throwing up-

i would do this three times to really shock my legs, and, it was sick cardio. if you want to become a beast, try it and see what happens.

For calves I reccomend standing calf raises primarily, with seated calf raises a close second. i never did get a good feel for donkey raises.

Here's what i have to say about calve training:

Do them slow. Most of us can load up the entire stack on the calf machine and do endless reps if we wanted to, so in order to lift for fewer reps i advocate doing slower reps. Flex at the top, pause near the bottom. Calves are hard to get big. Almost all bodybuilders struggle to get bigger calves, hence the implants. If your calves wont grow, tough luck. Some people have big calves naturally, others don't. There's not a lot you can do to grow bigger calves if you don't have the genetic makeup for it, and it's just that simple.

When training legs, alwasy remember that something is better than nothing. I've only met a few guys in my life who truly loved training legs, and most guys i've met never had proportionate legs in contrast to their upper body, so even when you don't want to hurl your lunch from squatting like i reccomended above, remember that something is better than nothing, so at least get in there and hit it for a littl while.

squatting is a full body movement though- i can promise you that if you took an untrained individual and tested his maximum bench press, deadlift, and squat, that, w/o ever training anything other than his legs, if his squat gets stronger so would his other lifts. bench press isn't going to get terribly stronger, but funny as it sounds, it will, and so would his deadlift. and i'm not kidding about legs in regards to a physical confrontation. i don't care how strong your arms and chest are, w/o a foundation they can't serve their purpose.

DONT BE A CANDY ASS [censored], TRAIN YOUR LEGS YOU [censored] NANCY BOY


alright. lets talk about back.

having a strong back is something that can actually come in handy in every day life. and like all muscle groups, it is critical that you stretch and warmup your back before you engage it in any sort of weight lifting activity.

your main exercises for back will be as follows

rows
pulldowns
pullups
deadlift

rows can be done on machine, with dumbells, or with barbells. from a powerlifting point of view, i prefer barbell rows over dumbell rows, however, from an aesthetic point of view i prefer dumbell rows.

dumbell rows are performed by putting one hand and one knee on a bench, the opposite leg behind you, and lifing the dumbell up towards your chest with your lat. any exercise that works a muscle group one at a time e.g., alternating them, is great b/c it doesn't allow one muscle to dominate the other. in dumbell rows be sure to stretch and contract, and make sure you do the exercise in a manner that makes your lat do the work, not your bicep, although you will feel your bicep working in the movement, hence why some guys do back with biceps, b/c of the preexhaustion that occurs when doing back.

barbell rows are done with a belt preferably.

load up a barbell, bend slightly at the knees and try and keep your back fairly straight, although i've found that for me and many others, we can have an arch in our back and not injure ourselves and get better tension in the movement via a longer motion and a better stretch at the bottom.

you will sometimes see barbell rows performed on a platform, extending the length of the movement.

it's rather simple, really, pull the weight up into your midsection, contract, let it down, stretch, repeat.

for barbell rows- an exercise that's geared for building a massive back and overall strength, i'm going to reccomend the following for beginners:

1x15
2x12
1x10
1x8


if you're familiar w/ the exercise then i'd use something close to this

1x12
1x8
2x6
1x3

I prefer to do my barbell rows on the same day i do deadlift, so i'll always do my deadlifts first BTW.

Deadlift is a sick lift, really. Your blood pressure does crazy things during a heavy deadlift. A lot of guys have passed out after a heavy deadlift before, so be careful, but don't be alarmed if a lot of blood goes rushing after you put the bar down.

Deadlifts strengthen the entire back, but mostly the lower back, as well as the quadriceps to some extent, the trapezius muscles, the biceps, the forearms, and of course your grip.

there are many ways to do deadlift. i prefer a standard stance, just about shoulder width apart. bend at the knees and grab the bar, pull it in close to your shins, and lift. i prefer an alternating grip, one hand over one hand under.

i never ever deadlift w/o a belt. NEVER.

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deadlifts, IMO, should be done heavy.

for a beginner

1x15
1x12
1x10
1x8

for all else;

1x12
1x8
2x5
2x3

When deadlifting, don't lower the weight down slowly. This is the only time i wont advocate taking the weight down slowly. You run the risk of injury when you take the weight down too slow and you also burnout your supporting muscles. The weight should slam when it hits the ground. It will be loud, it might scare others, but that's deadlifting for you.


Lat pulldowns;

lat pulldowns are the best of the machine exercises IMO. lat pulldowns are very similar to pullups, however i prefer them over pullups b/c i've never been able to achieve the same feeling and isolation of the lats when doing pullups.

lat pulldowns will develop width in your lats.

i will usuall do a routine as follows:

1x15
1x12
1x10
1x8
2x6
1x10
1x12
1x15

And i've measured over 60" in the chest b/c of that.

Again, stretch at the top and contract at the bottom, although don't hold the contraction as long as other contractions for other muscle groups.


On a lat pulldown machine I've developed an exercise that I really love. I don't know if there's a name for it, but it's performed by standing up, a few feet back from the banch you sit on, and then with your arms fully extended, pulling the bar down to below your waist. Try it, you'll like it.


Those exercises are what i've primarily used for back, with variations through out. You can find rowing machines in your gym with all sorts of different angles and attachments. Since there's not a huge assortment of exercises for the back, i'll often make good use of the different kinds of bars and attachments I can use during my workouts. Something as slight as changine the angle of the bar or the position of the grip can have a profound effect on how the exercise works your muscles.


I will reccomend that you do biceps on your heavy back days, or to at least not do biceps the day before or after doing back. You can do back/shoulders, but I think for a lot of people the biceps will try to take over so much of a back workout that it makes sense to do biceps on back day for that very reason.




let's talk a little about nutrition:

first of all, i don't know about you, but trying to eat 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight is impossible for me. and some idiots will actually reccomend this to people who are trying to gain weight/muscle. IMHO, it's not so much how much protein you eat, but much more what kind of protein you eat, and when you eat it i.e., soy protein is < egg protein <whey protein > milk protein.

for me, at 220 LBS, if I can get 200 grams of protein in per day i'm doing just fine, especially since the following happens every day for me

35 grams of protein as soon as i wakeup

30 grams of protein during lunch

35 grams of protein mid afternoon

45 grams of protein immediately after workout consisting of one muscle milk and 10 amino acid tabs

30 grams of protein at dinner time

45 grams of protein at bed time

10 grams of protein when i wakeup to take a piss




This is something you need to remember and should serve you well: you grow when you sleep. You do not grow when you are awake. What you are doing in the gym is tearing down old muscle tissue, in the hopes that your body will grow new tissue over it- more tissue than was there before. Therefore, giving your body protein before bedtime gives you a better chance to ensure that protein will be used for receovery- not for energy/metabolism needs as it can be during the day time assuming your body doesn't have the carbs it needs.

Protein at bedtime= smart.


i'll talk a lot more about diet in the next update and will start to answer some ?'s.



-Tex

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There's any number of exercises for biceps, but they're all going to be some sort of curl variation.

The way you grip the weight will have a lot to do with what part of the bicep you're going to effect the most.

I've found the following exercises to be the best:

barbell curls
alternating dumbell curls
preacher curls
isolating curls
hammer curls
cable crossover curls

The barbell curl is the standard for bicep strength. These can be done with or without cheating, but preferably cheating at a minimum, cheating= bending at the back and swinging the weight up. FTR, cheating at bicep curls is a good thing when you've done 5-6 reps and just need a little help on the next 2-3, but it's a bad thing IMHO when you start out swinging the weight. Start w/ good form and use cheating only to help you get to total exhaustion.

barbell curls should be done with two different grips, normal and wide.

i assume everyone knows what the above exercises are, so here's my biceps routine that i did night before last

barbell curls

1x15
3x6

alternating dumbell curls

1x10
2x8
1x6

Hammer curls

3x6

Cable cross over curls (performed on a cable cross over machine)

1x15
1x12
1x10

forearm curls (same as bicep curl w/ overhanded grip)

1x15

super setted with

forearm wrist curls

1x25

no rest

forearm curls

1x20

no rest

forearm wrist curls

1x20

no rest

forearm curls

1x12

no rest

forearm wrist curls

1x15

10 seconds pause

1x12

10 seconds pause

1x12

10 seconds pause

1x12

That forearm workout at the end of my bicep workout makes the bar itself feel as big around as a coke can. The lactic acid buildup towards the end is really killer, but I've got a nice set of forearms from doing that workout and ones very similar to it for some time now.

Last night I did forearms again, only last night I went very heavy, never doing more than 10 reps per set of wrist curls, and doing an exercise I've never seen performed before that I do to isolate the muscles on top of my forearms.

It's performed by grabbing a light weight barbell (30 LBS or so) and sitting down on a benchand resting the bottom of your forearms on your knees with the weight in hand, and curling the weight up opposite the way you would if you were doing forearm wrist curls. It only takes a few sets before those muscles are spent. I've always liked having sort of 'popeye' arms, so i spend a lot of time and energy on forearm training.

A lot of writers will tell you, as would Arnold, that forearm training isn't neccessary, that you'll get enough development in your forearms from doing other heavy lifts. I disagree. I think that this stems from a desire to have upper arms that seem much bigger than your forearms- i.e., w/huge forearms your biceps wont seem to be as big as they are.

Whatever the case may be...

I'll usually train forerarms twice a week, and one of those workouts will be very high volume like the one above, the second will be very heavy.

It's very important that when you train biceps, you get a full stretch and contraction in almost all of your lifts. I really cant emphasize this enough, especially for biceps. I see a lot of amateurs in the gym doing an exercise like alternating biceps curls and it's almost like its their forearms and shoulders that are doing the lifting, not their biceps.


You cannot become hung up on how much weight you're lifting. Everyone will fall prey to this macho farce, but it's self defeating to do anything w/o good form. I can probably curl up 225 pounds, but not w/ good form. So when I do babrbell curls i might only go as heavy as 115 LBS, but my form will be the best in the gym, and it's b/c I dont care how heavy the weight is, i care about putting the maximum amount of stress on my muscles while maintaining good form, a good stretch, and a solid contraction at the top of the lift.

I'm a big guy, so people probably assume I always lift heavy, but I'm not afraid to pickup the 20 LB dumbells and do a burnout set so slow and painful that by the tenth rep I'm ready to drop the weights.

My point is that, it's not about how heavy you lift, it's about how effective you lift~

I'd reccomend that a beginner do 10-12 sets for biceps, with half of those consisting of 6-8 reps, the rest being 10-15 reps.


For everyone else, try and incorporate some lifts into your bicep program that have you reaching failure at the fifth rep. You might need a spotter to do this, but think about it logically, especially if you have big triceps but little biceps- it's easier to go heavy on triceps/chest/back/delts than it is on biceps given the logistics of the lift- but you still need to go heavy on biceps~


Again, a great spotter is worth his weight in gold in the gym. I had a training partner who knew me so well he could give the best lift offs ever. In fact, i wouldnt let anyone else give me a liftoff on a heavy bench day. It was a bit of a mental obstacle though, b/c I grew very mentally dependent not only on him, but a specific bench and a specific bar in the gym.

You know you're a gym rat when you wait 45 minutes just to secure the best bar in the gym before you start your workout.




motivation

someone asked about motivation. I can't tell you personally how to get motivated, but I can share with you how I motivate myself.

everyone has a story, right? everyone has something in their life that they had no control over and that really [censored] with them. maybe you had a father that was an alcoholic, maybe your mom died when you were young, maybe you lost a brother or a sister. for me, it was something sort of similar to the first, although very different. when i thought about it, i was dangerous. sometimes i still am. i picked a situation in my life that brought all the powerful emotions that human beings have. i put myself in those situations that spawned those emotions, i conjured up all those feelings, and then i lifted like that was all there was, like i was fighting it by lifting weights. i've never felt quite so bullet proof in my life than the first time i loaded up 500 LBS on bench press, sat there for a good five minutes sort of meditating back to a place in my mind, then asking myself, if you could change that one thing by moving this weight off your chest, how hard would you push?

that's the kind of motivation that got me to an intensity level most people will never reach, but the everyday sort of motivation was the competition in the gym. there were other guys my age in the gym, competitive guys, and we were always trying to improve and one up eachother. that's a very hard thing to re-create.

before that, when i first got started, i had gotten jumped in high school when i was a freshman by a group of seniors, and before that it came from being a chubby kid in elementary school who was relentlessly teased about being fat.

these days it's something that i really enjoy doing, and i can actively feel a big difference when i have that release. when you lift weights, sweat, and exert yourself your body releases endorphins.

endorphine is short for endomorphine.

basically it's your bodies natural morphine. some people produce more than others, but this accounts for why some people get addicted to the gym- literally.


if you need motivation, i suggest you find it within yourself.

i'll tell you this; you'll never regret staying in the gym, but you will always regret leaving.

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Back button, browser refresh button, submit post. Saves copying and reposting.

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By now I've learned to just "select all" and CTRL-C BEFORE I click submit.

Blarg 03-05-2007 03:23 PM

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Also agree with another poster that a belt is not a necessity.

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This has been mentioned here before several times, but it's worth repeating. People looking to bulk up *need* to realize how important the big lifts like deadlifts and squats are. You won't release the growth hormones that those do just by doing concentration curls and cable curls. The big lifts MAKE you grow.

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Agreed. I basically CANNOT get more than extremely trivial muscular growth in my upper body unless I do squats or deadlifts. And I seem to get much more growth from the deadlifts. If I don't do one of those two exercises, the most I will get is firm and defined muscles that get VERY slightly larger over many, many years.

P.S.: I found that deadlifts alone, even without a stomach program of any kind, were enough to get me almost all the way to six-pack abs. And that was WITH eating so much I was sometimes nauseous, in an effort to bulk up. The hormonal stimulus can be just that much!

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nice thread...

you seem to emphasize having a good spotter which would be nice...but because i go to the gym alone and none of my friends really work out or can go on my schedule i have no spotter...so, ive begun using the smith machine for my bench/military/squats/lunges...any comments on using the smith machine?

thanks...

anklebreaker 03-05-2007 04:51 PM

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Good thread. My #1 problem is motivation, by far. I'll get on a workout kick for a few weeks, then lose interest or get sidetracked. Any advice on staying motivated for weeks, months, years? I did see the part of being motivated for a single workout, but I've tried working out in a really busy corporate-type gym and just get turned off by the whole experience. I have a gym in my work building that doesn't have a whole bunch of equipment, but it's quiet, and I'll usually have the place to myself. I'd much rather work out there. Any suggestions are appreciated...thanks!

ScottieK

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Scottie, this deserves a thread of its own. It's an oft-ignored aspect of fitness advice.

Tx, good thread. Have you tried the "light" version of muscle milk, especially since you're cutting?

guids 03-05-2007 04:54 PM

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nice thread...

you seem to emphasize having a good spotter which would be nice...but because i go to the gym alone and none of my friends really work out or can go on my schedule i have no spotter...so, ive begun using the smith machine for my bench/military/squats/lunges...any comments on using the smith machine?

thanks...

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Smith machines cause injury. I havent found a truly great way to spot myself, as I also workout alone, but usually if worse comes to worse, Ill but a bench in the squat rack and adjust the bench, and the squat bar, so the bar wont crush me, if I cant get another rep up, than I just have to squirm out if I tire.

thirddan 03-05-2007 05:07 PM

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nice thread...

you seem to emphasize having a good spotter which would be nice...but because i go to the gym alone and none of my friends really work out or can go on my schedule i have no spotter...so, ive begun using the smith machine for my bench/military/squats/lunges...any comments on using the smith machine?

thanks...

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Smith machines cause injury. I havent found a truly great way to spot myself, as I also workout alone, but usually if worse comes to worse, Ill but a bench in the squat rack and adjust the bench, and the squat bar, so the bar wont crush me, if I cant get another rep up, than I just have to squirm out if I tire.

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how does it cause injury?

delta k 03-05-2007 05:07 PM

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Tx, my workout- thoughts? Basically I go three times a week (and have basketball on a 4th day) so it's either A/B/A or B/A/B depending on the week and generally looks something like this

A
Squat- 10/8/8/6/4 (reps)
Lat pull down 10/8/8/6/4
Pull ups 4 sets until I die
Shoulder press (free weights) 10/8/8/6/4
DB bicep curls 10/10/8/8
Incline bicep curls 10/10/8/8
Bicep curls using the machine, pulling up from the ground while standing 10/10/10
Ab stuff

B
Deadlift 8/6/6/6/4
Row 10/8/8/6/4
DB bench 8/8/8/6/6
Incline bench 8/8/8/6/6
Tricep curls 10/10/10
Tricep pulldown 10/8/8/6
Ab stuff

Given what you see, is there anything that needs to be added or anything than can afford to be removed?

Thanks

delta k 03-05-2007 05:08 PM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG*
 
Forgot to add...good thread. And I'm right there with you w/ the muscle milk. good stuff.

guids 03-05-2007 05:12 PM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG*
 
Squats on the Smith machine. This is a squat you do standing at a machine that has a barbell on a sliding track. The barbell rests on your shoulders, behind your head.
In a true squat -- done as you hold a barbell at your shoulders -- the bar doesn't go straight up and down as it does with the Smith machine, Warpeha says: "Looking from the side, the bar has some sway."
"On the machine, the bar doesn't give, so it forces the body into disadvantageous biomechanical positions," he says. People also tend to put their feet further in front of their bodies when doing squats on the machine, which adds to the problem.
Considering that today's adult population is wrought with knee and back problems, says Danberg, the last thing you want to do is an exercise that might aggravate weakness and


also:
http://ajs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/32/8/1962

TxRedMan 03-05-2007 05:19 PM

Re: Q&A, three part post: Lifting, lifestyles, nutrition, etc. **LONG**
 
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I wasn't kidding when I said I reccomend muscle milk, and i'm also going to really gear down and lose another 10 pounds in the next 6 weeks, i'm really close to having abs again:

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here's a shot of what i'm taking:

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This is the third time I've tried to do this thread. I cannot begin to tell you how frustrating it is to type out an hour long thread only to have the software not accept it when I hit submit, reaching a page that says 'form is no longer valid', presumably b/c these forums have some sort of time length in place for how long you can take to create a post. Please fix this, it's a terrible software error.

That aside, I'm going to give you guys a lot of information in this thread. A lot of you have PM'd me, and I copied and pasted your ?'s into the first thread but I'm too lazy to do it again, so anyone who wants to ask specific questions can feel free to do so in this thread. Please read the entire thread first. I'm not going to answer ?'s like 'how can i gain 15 lbs of muscle fast?' or 'i want to lose 20 LBS, what's best?'. If you have a mundane question read this thread or any of the other fitness threads that have been done in OOT, or make yourself familiar with google. However, if you have a ? that is specific to weight lifting, dieting, or the overall lifestyle, feel free to ask.

E.G.'s 'why pause reps for bench press?' or 'proteins before bed/during the middle of the night, why?' or 'how do i avoid burnout' etc.

The advice I will give in this thread comes from personal experience. I've had my knowledge on these subjects doubted and ridiculed by a few posters here because of one specific reccomendation I made regarding one specific lift, but I'm the only one who's shown myself and my abilities, and my advice is solid even when it differs from what an undocumented self proclaimed authority might otherwise like you to believe. The bottom line is that I'm going to share with you what I have seen work in my eight years of training, body building, powerlifting, dieting, and learning how the body works and responds.

I'd like to start by saying the following:

Steroids are for trained individuals who have tremendous self discipline and who wish to push their bodies past their natural genetic abilities in muscular development. I would estimate that 90% of the guys I know who have taken steroids do not look like they ever did, and ultimately wasted their time, money, and compromised their health because of non-education, lazy work ethics, and an attitude that the drugs would do the work for them. I first started using steroids when I was about to turn 18, 2 years into serious training, and although I was educated, I was nowhere near my natural genetic potential.

Now then.

Let's talk about lifting weights. Lifting weights has a lot of societal stigmas attached to it. Maybe there's some women that will read this thread (yo fluffpop), and say what I've heard 100's of women say in the past "i don't wanna get all big and bulky".

This is the second biggest myth about weight lifting. Getting big and bulky comes from eating. I challenge anyone here to attempt to gain weight while in a negative caloric state. The only way you can gain weight, whether it be muscle or fat, is to eat more calories than you burn. On top of that, you gain muscle by the ounce, not by the pound. I tell girls all the time that if they did the same routine that I do (assuming they're of a slim build) that within a years time they would be looking much more like a fitness model with toned legs and a firm stomach, and they wouldn't look a thing like a bodybuilder. It is very very hard to grow muscle tissue. I promise you this. I've spent 8 years lifting weights, half of which I used steroids, and I've added what I estimate to be 35 LBS of true muscle tissue. Please do not avoid lifting weights because you think you'll blow up into some sort of Hulk.

The second biggest myth in weight lifting:

"lift heavy to get big, do reps to get ripped"

When a noob would come into the gym and say this in our circle, we used to give him untold amounts of [censored] forever about this remark.

Folks- again, you cannot 'get big' simply by lifting heavy. The truth in that statement is that lifting heavy in most cases will build more muscle tissue than lifting lighter weights for more reps assuming you eat enough to let your body grow, i.e., you're in a positive caloric state.

Doing reps will not make you ripped unless you're in a negative caloric state, but I'm going to let you in on a little secret, a secret that is fact: your muscles already have shape. Your genetic code made your muscles what they are. You can add new muscle to the existing muscle, but you cannot change the shape of your muscles. Want biceps peaks like Arnolds? Tough [censored]. Want tear drop quads like Branch Warren? Sorry bro.

And furthermore, if you can't see the definition in your muscles, guess what? It's because there's a layer of fat on top of them that obscure and hide the definition that lies beneath.


If you're going to lift weights, you need to lift free weights. Machines have specific purposes, and should be incorporated into your workouts, but free weights should generally consist of 80% of your total sets. Why free weights? Because you get more bang for your buck. Learn perfect form and never stray from it, and you won't get hurt, and you'll develop strength in a lot of supporting muscle groups underneath and around the muscle groups you intend to work.

e.g.- when you're doing incline dumbell bench press with free weights, you have to pick the dumbells up off the rack, walk over to the bench, kick them up onto your knees and then hoist them up to your shoulders to perform the lift. This creates balance, agility, and develops smaller muscle groups as well as the deltoid/pectoral/tricep muscles that do the most of the work during the exercise.

Machines are good for people who have injuries, or people who just want to exercise their muscles while burning some calories, but aren't concerned about real muscle growth. There are some exceptions to this, however, as some machines imitate real movements very well and some allow you to isolate certain muscle groups. But the bulk of your routine needs to consist of bare knuckle lifts with dumbells and barbells.

If you wanted to become better at something, you need to look at everything involved. Let's take bench press for example. If I were to ask most of you what muscle group is responsible for a strong bench press, you'd likely tell me the pectorals. Truth is for most guys, the deltoids and the triceps are responsible for their big bench press, as opposed to just the pecs. The wider the grip you use on bench press, the more the chest becomes involved, and vice versa for the triceps and shoulders. Some people have such dominant shoulders that they take over their chest movements.

A guy who has a strong bench press will have strong shoulders and strong triceps.

I used to really be nuts about bench press. It was my lift. There was no one at the gym who could do more than me raw.

My bench routine used to go like this

135x10
135x10
225x10
315x10
385x5
405x5
455x3
485x1
500 negative
405x3 pause reps
385x3 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
225x8 pause reps

Now, I wouldn't do that routine every time, but I did it often, increasing the poundages as I moved up or down in strength. I'd wait at least two minutes between sets and i'd routinely be on the bench for over an hour. The point is, I focused on bench a lot. You can't do 4 sets of bench press and expect to get real strong at it.

After I did that routine I'd do something like this

incline barbell

135x15
225x10
315x6
225x 5 pause reps
225x 5 pause reps

Dumbell flys

4x12

Then I'd go on to triceps

Narrow grip bench press

225x10 pause reps
315x5 pause reps
315x5 pause reps

Triceps pushdowns
1x12
3x8
1x6

That's how I achieved a 500 LB bench press.

Something to note here, and it applies to all lifters, is that once you acquire "feel", you'll instinctively know what to do in the gym. It takes a long time to learn "feel". By feel I mean how your body reacts, how it recovers, what it needs both nutritionally and physically. It's like being able to listen to your body talk to you. I never sit down and write out a weeks worth of workouts. I used to get workouts from the owner of the gym, but once I had tried just about every exercise I could, and I'd had success and made progress lifting, I just knew what I need to do. I knew what I did the last time, and I knew what changes I needed to make to change things up so that i wouldn't become adapted to a single routine or motion. I always changed something in my workouts, still do, so that I'm not becoming stagant. I knew what worked for me, btw it took me three years to find out that the above bench press workout really worked well for me- and it might not for you.

I know this is long and wordy, but this isn't a concise subject, and I feel that elaboration is neccessary.

I built my bench press using the above routines, but something that really got me over the hump was the incorporation of barbell military presses into my routine. I was always shy of them b/c of the possibility of injury, but when done in front as opposed to behind the neck your chance of injury while lifting heavy is much less. I would camp out on the military press and do 8 sets, almost always with a spotter- which- a good spotter is worth a lot in the gym, believe me, and i'd use a similar scale as i did for bench press.

135x12

205x10

225x8

275x3

295x2

315x3 with assistance

225x5 pause reps

135x12

If you want to get strong in pressing movements, you have to do lots of heavy pressing movements.

And let me say this about pause reps:

A pause rep is a rep where when you reach the bottom of the movement, you pause, not resting the weight, but holding the weight, then when you go up you explode and drive as hard as you can into the weight. This helps build explosiveness at the bottom of a rep and it's crucial for someone who does powerlifting b/c of the importance of explosion and the fact that you have to pause for some lifts, like bench press and military press in many power lifting federations.

I highly reccomend pause reps once you have achieved perfect form.

So I built my bench press by doing lots of flat bench, lots of military, lots of triceps, and going heavy.

The key to working out for me is motivation.

I can't really tell you how motivated I was at some points in my life. I was probably dangerously motivated to be honest. I could put myself in a spot mentally, in a situation, that would make my adrenal glands go nuts. I still can. I used to say to myself, "if you could change (x), x being a certain situation in my life) by lifting this weight, how hard would you push?" I didn't yell, i didn't scream, but I was so mentally engulfed by what I was doing that I at times probably had watery eyes thinking about it before a lift. That kind of mental determination accounts for more than you would imagine.

It's like Arnold said 'be here, now'.

Staying motivated means staying in the gym, i.e., w/o motivation you're just going to show up and go through the movements and get in, get out.

I was fortunate to have a gym near me that was truly hardcore, with guys my age and older who were seriously into it. I've trained with numerous bodybuilders and powerlifters, and I'm friends with one of Ronnie Colemans occasional training partner. So we shared info, we fed off of eachother, and it was a fraternity of guys who wanted to get big, strong, and in better shape.


Atmosphere is huge IMHO. If you're trying to lift heavy next to a 45 year old woman who's doing rubber band exercises on some inflatable ball, WTF?

If you can find a real GYM, you'll be better off. A place that has iron weights, a [censored] up floor, chalk on hand and rock and roll playing.


Okay guys. I'm going to take a break, but I'm going to update this, probably later tonight, with more advice on training back, legs, biceps, dieting, and the overall lifestyle and the effect it has.


BTW- down to a 34" waist, arms still at 19.25 pumped, weighing 218, bench is down a bit but that's expected.


TBC

-Tex


note: if anyone wants to see the link to my gym, they have a myspace page in case you're curious. also, i hope this isn't spam or whatever, but if you need supplements we pretty much have the best of the best, and only carry what the members want/use, so i'd be happy to give you guys the contact info.

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alright, caught a second wind.


let's talk about back and legs amongst other things.

i, like many other lifters, started out wanting to have big arms, a strong bench press, and hard abs. i really didnt 'care' about legs for two years. i would do squats, but nothing heavy, and some months i'd only do leg presses and extensions. then i got into powerlifting, and started to notice that besides the difference in strength, my body was growing disproportionate.

i reccomend very seriously that when you start a program, you do legs. dont' skip leg workouts. FTR- if you want to be a 'badass' you need legs. guys who have strong legs are going to have an edge in any physical confrontation. that aside, here's how i trained legs.

legs have a tremendous capacity for endurance! they aren't like any other muscle group you have b/c you are on them mostly all day. therefore they can naturally handle a large workload in comparison to other muscle groups, and, they're also a very large muscle group.

for many guys gaining muscle in their legs is easier than gaining muscle in most other parts of their body.

the squat is the cornerstone of any good leg workout. it's also the most grueling and exhausting movement you can do in the gym when done correctly.

i highly reccomend two things; first- get a belt. once you reach a certain weight you're going to need a belt, and for me it was anything over 225. it can prevent injury, it stabilizes your core, and these days i feel naked without one. secondly, i reccomend knee wraps for your very heavy sets. knee wraps increase hydrostatic tension within the knee itself which greatly reduces the risk of injury and also provides for resistance when going down, which, can actually increase the amount of weight you can lift.

squatting needs to be done with a spotter in a lot of instances. if you're squatting on a rack that doesn't have a rack below you to set the weight on in case of failure or fatigue, you MUST have a spotter. squatting can be very dangerous. guys have blown their bowels out squatting before, broken legs, and incurred all kinds of injuries- mostly due to lifting too heavy, but i can't emphasize enough how crucial a great spotter is in squatting and in the gym in general.


when squatting, you don't want to go all the way down to a catcher's stance, but you want to break parallel. i laugh as do many other guys when we see someone load up the bar and do 1/4 depth squats. do not do these! if you don't squat deep enough you won't develop strength in the bottom part of the motion and thus will never be able to squat heavy.

for a beginner i will reccomend this program for the first 6 weeks of squats, 2x/week:

10 minutes of low intensity stationary bicycling

2-3 minutes of back and leg stretching

(this assumes you are comfortable with squatting w/ weight, if you aren't, become comfortable with the movement first)

1x20
1x15
1x12
1x10
1x15
1x20

what the above structure does is develop muscle memory above all else. it solidifies good form, and it also will exhaust the muscles involved, but primarily i want you to use this high volume workout for the first six weeks so you can perfect your form in a very critical lift.

leg presses

1x10
1x8
3x5

on leg presses you can go as deep as you want on most machines. i.e., you can go deeper on leg press than you can on a squat. i prefer you use the same stance you use for squats when using leg press, or slightly narrower.

reverse hamstring curls

1x15
2x8
1x15

the keys you need to focus on while doing hamstring curls are a slow, controlled movement, a contraction at the top of the lift (flex) and a good stretch at the bottom of the movement. use your rep's wisely- don't blow through them- feel the stretch at the bottom and the contraction at the top of every set.

quadricep extensions

1x12
3x8
1x15

again, stretch at the bottom, contraction at the top.


For most of you, if you do this workout, you will want to die when it's over. The next day you will be cursing TxRedMan and his [censored] workout thread. But I dare you- I dare you to do this workout 2x/week for 6 weeks. And i promise you it will put you on the fast track to being in shape and having wheels of steel.

Intermediate workout

By intermediate I mean that you've either done the above workout 2x week for 6 weeks, or you're familiar to the gym and have done plenty of squats, leg presses, and the like, and have good form and some sort of muscular develoment in your legs.

same warmup as above; you have to do warmups before squatting! you do not want to pull a muscle in the middle of a squat! i've seen it happen! not cool!

Squats

1x20 w/ a light weight

1x10

1x8

1x5

1x3

1x6

1x10


Leg presses (pick either leg presses or squats, add/subtract the other from your next workout)

4x6

1x3

Hacksquats

3x8

2x5

Leg extensions (add or subtract leg extensions/hamstring curls from your next workout)

1x15

1x12

1x8

1x10

1x20

Hamstring curls

2x12

1x10

1x8



Here's what I did when i was juicing:


warmup as above;

squats

135x20

225x15

315x15

405x20 (yes, 20 reps)

475x8

495x6

315x15

225x20


Leg presses

1x12

3x8

Hacksquats

4x6

Leg extensions

3x15




I didn't do hamstring curls when I was juicing, aka for four years b/c i hate those [censored]. They kill my hamstrings.


BTW-

for intermediates and advanced lifters-

Every third workout, do leg presses w/ the same reps/sets that you would do for squats, but do leg presses first, then go to squats and do your leg press reps/sets on squats.

Also, every third workout or so i'd like to do what I called
hell on wheels

it went like this (i haven't done this in a long time, and i don't care to do it anytime soon)

1x8 on leg press (near failure)

immediately followed by

1x15 of leg extensions (the machines were right by eachother)

immediately followed by

1x20 of leg press

immediately followed by near feint, exhaustion, and twice throwing up-

i would do this three times to really shock my legs, and, it was sick cardio. if you want to become a beast, try it and see what happens.

For calves I reccomend standing calf raises primarily, with seated calf raises a close second. i never did get a good feel for donkey raises.

Here's what i have to say about calve training:

Do them slow. Most of us can load up the entire stack on the calf machine and do endless reps if we wanted to, so in order to lift for fewer reps i advocate doing slower reps. Flex at the top, pause near the bottom. Calves are hard to get big. Almost all bodybuilders struggle to get bigger calves, hence the implants. If your calves wont grow, tough luck. Some people have big calves naturally, others don't. There's not a lot you can do to grow bigger calves if you don't have the genetic makeup for it, and it's just that simple.

When training legs, alwasy remember that something is better than nothing. I've only met a few guys in my life who truly loved training legs, and most guys i've met never had proportionate legs in contrast to their upper body, so even when you don't want to hurl your lunch from squatting like i reccomended above, remember that something is better than nothing, so at least get in there and hit it for a littl while.

squatting is a full body movement though- i can promise you that if you took an untrained individual and tested his maximum bench press, deadlift, and squat, that, w/o ever training anything other than his legs, if his squat gets stronger so would his other lifts. bench press isn't going to get terribly stronger, but funny as it sounds, it will, and so would his deadlift. and i'm not kidding about legs in regards to a physical confrontation. i don't care how strong your arms and chest are, w/o a foundation they can't serve their purpose.

DONT BE A CANDY ASS [censored], TRAIN YOUR LEGS YOU [censored] NANCY BOY


alright. lets talk about back.

having a strong back is something that can actually come in handy in every day life. and like all muscle groups, it is critical that you stretch and warmup your back before you engage it in any sort of weight lifting activity.

your main exercises for back will be as follows

rows
pulldowns
pullups
deadlift

rows can be done on machine, with dumbells, or with barbells. from a powerlifting point of view, i prefer barbell rows over dumbell rows, however, from an aesthetic point of view i prefer dumbell rows.

dumbell rows are performed by putting one hand and one knee on a bench, the opposite leg behind you, and lifing the dumbell up towards your chest with your lat. any exercise that works a muscle group one at a time e.g., alternating them, is great b/c it doesn't allow one muscle to dominate the other. in dumbell rows be sure to stretch and contract, and make sure you do the exercise in a manner that makes your lat do the work, not your bicep, although you will feel your bicep working in the movement, hence why some guys do back with biceps, b/c of the preexhaustion that occurs when doing back.

barbell rows are done with a belt preferably.

load up a barbell, bend slightly at the knees and try and keep your back fairly straight, although i've found that for me and many others, we can have an arch in our back and not injure ourselves and get better tension in the movement via a longer motion and a better stretch at the bottom.

you will sometimes see barbell rows performed on a platform, extending the length of the movement.

it's rather simple, really, pull the weight up into your midsection, contract, let it down, stretch, repeat.

for barbell rows- an exercise that's geared for building a massive back and overall strength, i'm going to reccomend the following for beginners:

1x15
2x12
1x10
1x8


if you're familiar w/ the exercise then i'd use something close to this

1x12
1x8
2x6
1x3

I prefer to do my barbell rows on the same day i do deadlift, so i'll always do my deadlifts first BTW.

Deadlift is a sick lift, really. Your blood pressure does crazy things during a heavy deadlift. A lot of guys have passed out after a heavy deadlift before, so be careful, but don't be alarmed if a lot of blood goes rushing after you put the bar down.

Deadlifts strengthen the entire back, but mostly the lower back, as well as the quadriceps to some extent, the trapezius muscles, the biceps, the forearms, and of course your grip.

there are many ways to do deadlift. i prefer a standard stance, just about shoulder width apart. bend at the knees and grab the bar, pull it in close to your shins, and lift. i prefer an alternating grip, one hand over one hand under.

i never ever deadlift w/o a belt. NEVER.

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deadlifts, IMO, should be done heavy.

for a beginner

1x15
1x12
1x10
1x8

for all else;

1x12
1x8
2x5
2x3

When deadlifting, don't lower the weight down slowly. This is the only time i wont advocate taking the weight down slowly. You run the risk of injury when you take the weight down too slow and you also burnout your supporting muscles. The weight should slam when it hits the ground. It will be loud, it might scare others, but that's deadlifting for you.


Lat pulldowns;

lat pulldowns are the best of the machine exercises IMO. lat pulldowns are very similar to pullups, however i prefer them over pullups b/c i've never been able to achieve the same feeling and isolation of the lats when doing pullups.

lat pulldowns will develop width in your lats.

i will usuall do a routine as follows:

1x15
1x12
1x10
1x8
2x6
1x10
1x12
1x15

And i've measured over 60" in the chest b/c of that.

Again, stretch at the top and contract at the bottom, although don't hold the contraction as long as other contractions for other muscle groups.


On a lat pulldown machine I've developed an exercise that I really love. I don't know if there's a name for it, but it's performed by standing up, a few feet back from the banch you sit on, and then with your arms fully extended, pulling the bar down to below your waist. Try it, you'll like it.


Those exercises are what i've primarily used for back, with variations through out. You can find rowing machines in your gym with all sorts of different angles and attachments. Since there's not a huge assortment of exercises for the back, i'll often make good use of the different kinds of bars and attachments I can use during my workouts. Something as slight as changine the angle of the bar or the position of the grip can have a profound effect on how the exercise works your muscles.


I will reccomend that you do biceps on your heavy back days, or to at least not do biceps the day before or after doing back. You can do back/shoulders, but I think for a lot of people the biceps will try to take over so much of a back workout that it makes sense to do biceps on back day for that very reason.




let's talk a little about nutrition:

first of all, i don't know about you, but trying to eat 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight is impossible for me. and some idiots will actually reccomend this to people who are trying to gain weight/muscle. IMHO, it's not so much how much protein you eat, but much more what kind of protein you eat, and when you eat it i.e., soy protein is < egg protein <whey protein > milk protein.

for me, at 220 LBS, if I can get 200 grams of protein in per day i'm doing just fine, especially since the following happens every day for me

35 grams of protein as soon as i wakeup

30 grams of protein during lunch

35 grams of protein mid afternoon

45 grams of protein immediately after workout consisting of one muscle milk and 10 amino acid tabs

30 grams of protein at dinner time

45 grams of protein at bed time

10 grams of protein when i wakeup to take a piss




This is something you need to remember and should serve you well: you grow when you sleep. You do not grow when you are awake. What you are doing in the gym is tearing down old muscle tissue, in the hopes that your body will grow new tissue over it- more tissue than was there before. Therefore, giving your body protein before bedtime gives you a better chance to ensure that protein will be used for receovery- not for energy/metabolism needs as it can be during the day time assuming your body doesn't have the carbs it needs.

Protein at bedtime= smart.


i'll talk a lot more about diet in the next update and will start to answer some ?'s.



-Tex

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There's any number of exercises for biceps, but they're all going to be some sort of curl variation.

The way you grip the weight will have a lot to do with what part of the bicep you're going to effect the most.

I've found the following exercises to be the best:

barbell curls
alternating dumbell curls
preacher curls
isolating curls
hammer curls
cable crossover curls

The barbell curl is the standard for bicep strength. These can be done with or without cheating, but preferably cheating at a minimum, cheating= bending at the back and swinging the weight up. FTR, cheating at bicep curls is a good thing when you've done 5-6 reps and just need a little help on the next 2-3, but it's a bad thing IMHO when you start out swinging the weight. Start w/ good form and use cheating only to help you get to total exhaustion.

barbell curls should be done with two different grips, normal and wide.

i assume everyone knows what the above exercises are, so here's my biceps routine that i did night before last

barbell curls

1x15
3x6

alternating dumbell curls

1x10
2x8
1x6

Hammer curls

3x6

Cable cross over curls (performed on a cable cross over machine)

1x15
1x12
1x10

forearm curls (same as bicep curl w/ overhanded grip)

1x15

super setted with

forearm wrist curls

1x25

no rest

forearm curls

1x20

no rest

forearm wrist curls

1x20

no rest

forearm curls

1x12

no rest

forearm wrist curls

1x15

10 seconds pause

1x12

10 seconds pause

1x12

10 seconds pause

1x12

That forearm workout at the end of my bicep workout makes the bar itself feel as big around as a coke can. The lactic acid buildup towards the end is really killer, but I've got a nice set of forearms from doing that workout and ones very similar to it for some time now.

Last night I did forearms again, only last night I went very heavy, never doing more than 10 reps per set of wrist curls, and doing an exercise I've never seen performed before that I do to isolate the muscles on top of my forearms.

It's performed by grabbing a light weight barbell (30 LBS or so) and sitting down on a benchand resting the bottom of your forearms on your knees with the weight in hand, and curling the weight up opposite the way you would if you were doing forearm wrist curls. It only takes a few sets before those muscles are spent. I've always liked having sort of 'popeye' arms, so i spend a lot of time and energy on forearm training.

A lot of writers will tell you, as would Arnold, that forearm training isn't neccessary, that you'll get enough development in your forearms from doing other heavy lifts. I disagree. I think that this stems from a desire to have upper arms that seem much bigger than your forearms- i.e., w/huge forearms your biceps wont seem to be as big as they are.

Whatever the case may be...

I'll usually train forerarms twice a week, and one of those workouts will be very high volume like the one above, the second will be very heavy.

It's very important that when you train biceps, you get a full stretch and contraction in almost all of your lifts. I really cant emphasize this enough, especially for biceps. I see a lot of amateurs in the gym doing an exercise like alternating biceps curls and it's almost like its their forearms and shoulders that are doing the lifting, not their biceps.


You cannot become hung up on how much weight you're lifting. Everyone will fall prey to this macho farce, but it's self defeating to do anything w/o good form. I can probably curl up 225 pounds, but not w/ good form. So when I do babrbell curls i might only go as heavy as 115 LBS, but my form will be the best in the gym, and it's b/c I dont care how heavy the weight is, i care about putting the maximum amount of stress on my muscles while maintaining good form, a good stretch, and a solid contraction at the top of the lift.

I'm a big guy, so people probably assume I always lift heavy, but I'm not afraid to pickup the 20 LB dumbells and do a burnout set so slow and painful that by the tenth rep I'm ready to drop the weights.

My point is that, it's not about how heavy you lift, it's about how effective you lift~

I'd reccomend that a beginner do 10-12 sets for biceps, with half of those consisting of 6-8 reps, the rest being 10-15 reps.


For everyone else, try and incorporate some lifts into your bicep program that have you reaching failure at the fifth rep. You might need a spotter to do this, but think about it logically, especially if you have big triceps but little biceps- it's easier to go heavy on triceps/chest/back/delts than it is on biceps given the logistics of the lift- but you still need to go heavy on biceps~


Again, a great spotter is worth his weight in gold in the gym. I had a training partner who knew me so well he could give the best lift offs ever. In fact, i wouldnt let anyone else give me a liftoff on a heavy bench day. It was a bit of a mental obstacle though, b/c I grew very mentally dependent not only on him, but a specific bench and a specific bar in the gym.

You know you're a gym rat when you wait 45 minutes just to secure the best bar in the gym before you start your workout.




motivation

someone asked about motivation. I can't tell you personally how to get motivated, but I can share with you how I motivate myself.

everyone has a story, right? everyone has something in their life that they had no control over and that really [censored] with them. maybe you had a father that was an alcoholic, maybe your mom died when you were young, maybe you lost a brother or a sister. for me, it was something sort of similar to the first, although very different. when i thought about it, i was dangerous. sometimes i still am. i picked a situation in my life that brought all the powerful emotions that human beings have. i put myself in those situations that spawned those emotions, i conjured up all those feelings, and then i lifted like that was all there was, like i was fighting it by lifting weights. i've never felt quite so bullet proof in my life than the first time i loaded up 500 LBS on bench press, sat there for a good five minutes sort of meditating back to a place in my mind, then asking myself, if you could change that one thing by moving this weight off your chest, how hard would you push?

that's the kind of motivation that got me to an intensity level most people will never reach, but the everyday sort of motivation was the competition in the gym. there were other guys my age in the gym, competitive guys, and we were always trying to improve and one up eachother. that's a very hard thing to re-create.

before that, when i first got started, i had gotten jumped in high school when i was a freshman by a group of seniors, and before that it came from being a chubby kid in elementary school who was relentlessly teased about being fat.

these days it's something that i really enjoy doing, and i can actively feel a big difference when i have that release. when you lift weights, sweat, and exert yourself your body releases endorphins.

endorphine is short for endomorphine.

basically it's your bodies natural morphine. some people produce more than others, but this accounts for why some people get addicted to the gym- literally.


if you need motivation, i suggest you find it within yourself.

i'll tell you this; you'll never regret staying in the gym, but you will always regret leaving.

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Shoulders:

your shoulder workouts should center around the following movements:

seated military barbell press
seated military dumbell press
upright rows
shrugs
side raises

If you're wanting to add strength to your bench press, then seated military is the way to go. If you're more concerned with symetry, aesthetics, and overall deltoid development then I would focuse on seated dumbell presses slightly moreso than military presses.

When performing military presses it's important to have a good feel for the lift and a better feel for your body. I've never seen more small injuries occur anywhere other than over the head lifts. The reason for this is because the lifter generally is lifting too heavy and loses stability at the top of the lift, and his arms move forward or backward causing great stress on his joints, ligaments, or even your rotator cuff in some instances. That being said, when performing overhead lifts always be sure you're not going to reach failure without a spot, and be sure you're stable throughout the movement.

After a thorough warmup that usually consists of 20 reps with a leight weight of upright rows, and some thorough stretching, i'll do the following workout:

military barbell press

1x12
1x8
2x6
1x3

Upright rows
1x15
3x8
1x15

Shrugs
2x12
2x8
1x16

Side raises
2x20

I'll use a slightly higher volume workout when doing dumbell presses, i.e., less weight more reps, and again, it's very important especially when using heavy weight to be careful with overhead presses. Just the act of getting the dumbells in place alone can cause injury when not done properly.

I like to train my shoulders heavy at first, and by the end of my workout I like for them to feel really burnt and spent.

When I'm trying to really kill my shoulders, here's some of the variations I'll throw into my workouts:


upright rows with fixed weight barbells

1x8

immediately grab a barbell that's 20 pounds less

1x8

immediately grab a barbell that's 20 LBS less

1x8

each set should be done to failure- this is the equivalent of a strip set- and if you need to take more/less weight off the bar that's fine. the goal is to do as much weight as you can for 8 reps 3 times w/o stopping.

i'll also do a similar exercise when i have two spotters for military press.

it goes like this:

after a few sets, i'm apporaching my heaviest set, let's say it's 275x5

i'd do 275x5, then have each spotter take a 25 LB plate off of each side as soon as i rack it, then i'd do 225 till failure, which is usually about 3-4 more reps.

These kinds of sets aren't neccessary for beginners, but they are wonderful for shocking your body by doing something it hasn't done before, and pushing the envelope a little further.

When I was training as a powerlifter, eating as much as i could, etc, once every 3-4 months i would take an entire week off and just cycle. I'd get on my bike and ride laps around the lake by my house. I'd ride 3-4x that week for 2-3 hours at a time. This is something I reccomend to anyone who's trying to combat burnout in the gym. This also has benefits that go beyone avoiding burnout, such as cross training, increased metabolism, cardiovascular benefits, etc. I suppose the principal here is to change your pace once in a while, leave what you were doing for a week, and go do something else. Granted it should still be intense, but it could be rock climbing, or swimming, running, whatever.

TxRedMan 03-05-2007 05:28 PM

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Tx, my workout- thoughts? Basically I go three times a week (and have basketball on a 4th day) so it's either A/B/A or B/A/B depending on the week and generally looks something like this

A
Squat- 10/8/8/6/4 (reps)
Lat pull down 10/8/8/6/4
Pull ups 4 sets until I die
Shoulder press (free weights) 10/8/8/6/4
DB bicep curls 10/10/8/8
Incline bicep curls 10/10/8/8
Bicep curls using the machine, pulling up from the ground while standing 10/10/10
Ab stuff

B
Deadlift 8/6/6/6/4
Row 10/8/8/6/4
DB bench 8/8/8/6/6
Incline bench 8/8/8/6/6
Tricep curls 10/10/10
Tricep pulldown 10/8/8/6
Ab stuff

Given what you see, is there anything that needs to be added or anything than can afford to be removed?

Thanks

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you're basically doing a full body workout in two workouts, which is no good for adding muscle. if you can, add a fourth day and try and only do two body parts per day. doing one exercise per body part isn't going to cut it either.

however, if you're just looking to maintain some sort of athleticism and not gain muscle tissue, this sounds fine to me.

but plz don't do back on two days. put your back exercises into one workout.

also try and substitute different exercises every other workout. i.e., leg press instead of squats, barbell curls instead of dumbell curls.

your body will grow accustomed to this workout and become stagnant to it. you need to change things around constantly so you can avoid this.

Thremp 03-05-2007 05:29 PM

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thirdan,

Pattern overload.


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