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ThaDodinski 09-28-2007 02:31 AM

KT in SB no read on anyone (.25/.50)
 
How do you think I should have played this hand? Fold to PF cap?

Full Tilt 0.25/0.5 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

Preflop: Hero is SB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ts.gif.
UTG raises</font>, MP calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB 3-bets</font>, UTG folds, MP calls, Button caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (21 SB) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/tc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kc.gif [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, Button bets</font>, Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP folds, Button calls.

Turn: (13.50 BB) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/2c.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, BB calls, [color=#CC3333]Button raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (19.50 BB) http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/5h.gif [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Button bets</font>, Hero calls, BB folds.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Hero has Kh Ts (two pair, kings and tens).
Button has 3c 6c (flush, king high).
Outcome: Button wins 21.50 BB. </font>

Point Blank 09-28-2007 02:35 AM

Re: KT in SB no read on anyone (.25/.50)
 
fold preflop

donk flop ... 3bet

checkraise

don't post BBV hand ... or results

Aaron W. 09-28-2007 02:35 AM

Re: KT in SB no read on anyone (.25/.50)
 
[ QUOTE ]
Preflop: Hero is SB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/kh.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/.../smiles/ts.gif.
UTG raises</font>, MP calls, Button calls, Hero calls, BB 3-bets</font>, UTG folds, MP calls, Button caps</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, MP calls.

[/ QUOTE ]

Did UTG really raise and fold to a 3-bet preflop? Wow....

Smurph64 09-28-2007 02:39 AM

Re: KT in SB no read on anyone (.25/.50)
 
Nice table, I got to get me an account at full tilt. Considering the play of this table next time I get a hand like this I 3 bet preflop. Keep the pedal down and call to the end if you get reraised.

Without a read this hand is a fold preflop.

scpi10 09-28-2007 02:40 AM

Re: KT in SB no read on anyone (.25/.50)
 
The convert should be changed to 2+2
I would fold this pf the first time around I don't want to play this hand out of position.

1337sauce 09-28-2007 03:30 AM

Re: KT in SB no read on anyone (.25/.50)
 
i'd just bet the flop. a c/r is a good way to protect your hand most times but the pot is too big here. the c/r actually worked but you're still offering everyone to call behind you for like 12:1 so you're only protecting from 3 out draws. you have a lot of pot equity here and it doesn't seem like anyone is folding in this large pot so just work on getting bets in.

PB, why do you want to c/r the turn?

marchron 09-28-2007 10:49 AM

Re: KT in SB no read on anyone (.25/.50)
 
Fold twice preflop. KTo is a mediocre hand at best.

On the flop, you are basically accomplishing next to nothing by check/raising. The pot is ginormous — 22 bets after Button bets — so raising lays 12-1 to the first person behind you and successively better odds to every caller thereafter. Yeah, you folded MP, but all that means is that he had 87[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or something that completely whiffed.

Button betting gives you a perfect opportunity to check/raise the turn if it's a blank, offering decisively worse odds to everyone else in the pot. Unfortunately for you, that turn was probably the worst card you could see, filling the flush and tripping up the one flop card you didn't have.

To be fair, this is a pretty advanced concept that most newbies don't get. In fact, I'm not even sure I get it, and I've been here for more than two years, so I may be misapplying it here.

As for the turn and river as played, nothing you could do. Someone made a dumb preflop coldcall and got lucky. Say "nh" and move on.

Also, don't post results, at least not in the initial post. You will likely see a picture of a puppy or a walrus by the time this thread ends.

just2fast 09-28-2007 11:00 AM

Re: KT in SB no read on anyone (.25/.50)
 
***Grunch*** by newbie.. Warning: Do not use advice in actual gameplay. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

I fold this to a UTG raiser and a 3 bet.
As played, I bet the flop.
C/C the turn and river and hope there's not a flush.

Just saw the results,,Button capped with 36s. WOW.. I have a lot to learn.


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