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PoliticalRefugee 05-01-2007 12:24 PM

NL25 Tough Spot
 
Nor really sure here, I'd been getting some bad hands so saw JQ and thought I'd raise. Villain seems like the average 25NLer. Should I just try get this to showdown? and what do you think about the flop raise? I want to take down the pot and I think the raise gets rid of most flush chasers.

Now I think if I check the turn I will probably get bet into on the river, a moderate bet I'll call hoping a chaser has me down for a chaser and bluffs or someone value bets and I'm most likely beaten.

Thoughts.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($25.20)
Hero ($26.30)
MP ($31.15)
Button ($16.85)
SB ($13.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $5</font>, MP folds, SB folds, BB calls $3.50.

Turn: ($14) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ????

bozzer 05-01-2007 12:29 PM

Re: NL25 Tough Spot
 
preflop ok. (EDIT: except your reason for raising is BAD!)

on the flop you offer 3.5-10.5 odds = ~3:1. That's probably a bit generous so consider raising more next time.

Given the size of your turn raise he could still be on a draw, and that card probably didn't help him, so I would usually fire again here. $9-10 seems reasonable.

NSchandler 05-01-2007 12:33 PM

Re: NL25 Tough Spot
 
Fold pf.

It's fine to raise the flop here, but you need to make it larger. I'm making it like $7 -$8 here.

Turn I'm firing again, probably around $10. If you're c/r you can lay it down easily.

Shizzle12345 05-01-2007 12:35 PM

Re: NL25 Tough Spot
 
if he has a set or 2 pair, or overpair, he most likely bet the turn, or push the flop. So i think hes on a draw or u got him beat. he might be making a cbet with TT or something and call ur raise, i see that alot.

@chandler: why raise the flop so hard? he might have u beat here..

mrw8419 05-01-2007 12:42 PM

Re: NL25 Tough Spot
 
I don't like pf being utg.

On this flop I'm trying to get to showdown as cheaply as possible, which means I'm not raising the flop. If I do raise flop it is a pot size raise of 7. Like I said I'm trying to get to showdown cheap so I'm checking the turn, and if checked to on river making a small value bet.

NSchandler 05-01-2007 12:52 PM

Re: NL25 Tough Spot
 
shizzle: I'm raising this flop hard because I can lay it down if 3-bet. A weak raise like this might induce villain to play back at you, and that's not good since we have to fold to any real resistance. FWIW a pot-sized raise is to $8.50 here, so $7 - $8 is not that large of a raise really.

mrw8419: Given that there are 2 people yet to act, don't you think it's better to raise and force them out? Otherwise, almost any card is a scare card and you'll be lost throughout the hand.

Skleice 05-01-2007 12:55 PM

Re: NL25 Tough Spot
 
Preflop - no raise UTG with this hand. As played...Raise more on flop and fire again on turn...looks like he's drawing.

PoliticalRefugee 05-01-2007 02:09 PM

Re: NL25 Tough Spot
 
Ok, I did bet 8$ (a little short) and he went all in

i folded and he showed AQ

Cheers, you've been helpful


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