66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 

HJ is 44.4/28.9/1.33, CO is 42.6/21.3/1.8, both are spewy and bad.

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $25/$50
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Anyone want to talk me into capping or folding?

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (9.6SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

This is why I like calling, I manage to fold out HJ.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.8BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

A lot of the time, Villain is going to have an A here. But these LAGs are the type to barrel KQ when they don't. Anyone want to bet/fold? Bet/call? Check/fold?

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.8BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Um, I still beat KQ. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Anyone want to check/fold?

Final pot: 10.8BB

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 

Preflop: I would fold.

Flop: Standard check/raise

Turn: Standard check/call for me for the reasons youve stated.

River: Standard check/call again for me vs this type of opponent.

So I think you played postflop well. I still think folding preflop is better than calling but I have no way of proving that.

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 

I guess preflop is fine if both players are really bad and spewy. Against good players your implieds are not that great if you hit a set, because coldcalling from bb and going crazy on a ragged board is captain obvious...

but i'm not sure if i would call a river bet, villain must be really bad to barrel with nothing. and as you said, you really only beat KQs here.

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 

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So I think you played postflop well. I still think folding preflop is better than calling but I have no way of proving that.

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I agree that the post-flop line is correct.

Pre-flop is close, so there's no rule there, but I would lean to a fold unless I was likely to score big when I flop well or, as happened, I believe I have a good chance of getting it HU on flop.

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 

This is exactly how I would play it. I understand some people want to fold preflop. I just can't. These people are horrible, how can I be expected to let go of a pair of sixes? Flop is perfect. Donking and getting raised by the first pfr can just open up a 3bet by the 3bettor. c/r may get someone out. River sucks, but the villain is still retarded and we still have a pair.

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 

I thought about PF over lunch and I can really see an argument for a fold (this is coming from a guy who last folded his BB in '05).

Basically I'm going to convince myself to call down here pretty much every time regardless of the board texture. I'm going to be c/r'ing a lot flops and putting in a lot of "i don't know" money.

That being said, that's what I do. And I do it a lot. If I'm sitting there and don't know much but these guys are laggy/bad then I'll play this hand the same. I'll call the river this time and try and see if he fires 3-barrels at any other point or if i feel he is catching on to my play, at which point I think this river is an easy fold.

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 

who were these monkeys?

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 

ALso - I cap 88 here.

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 

i dunno about this... i think folding pflop is probably marginally better. who were the opponents

Re: 66 in big blind versus a couple LAGs
 

This is one of those silly questions that more or less amounts to "hey guys, I was playing internet poker and this happened, what do you think my opponent was doing?" You know how to solve the hand mathematically, if you have no idea what your the guy was doing then tough nuts, guess and move on [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

176 games 0.005 secs 35,200 games/sec

Board: 2d 3d 8h Ac Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.420% 26.14% 00.28% 46 0.50 { 6d6h }
Hand 1: 73.580% 73.30% 00.28% 129 0.50 { 55+, A6s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, A9o+, KTo+, QJo }

With a random stove with a big range he needs to be bluffing about 40% of the time that he has nothing.